L’UDC vuole fermare l’immigrazione per limitare la popolazione a 10 milioni. Poiché però ciò comporterebbe una penuria di lavoratori per l’AVS, un membro del partito propone ora di aumentare l’età pensionabile per salvare il sistema.
https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/abstimmungen-2026/217763980-10-millionen-initiative-der-svp-erhoehung-des-pensionsalters-moeglich#discussion_217763980
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Trairors to the People of Switzerland.
Circus maximus
Maybe we should move away from pensions and guarantee jobs post 60 years of age. There would still be one happy SVP redditor somewhere…
Shooting themselves in their own foot, on purpose.
Or, and this might seem contraversial, the government can stop wasting money on nonsense.
Raising the retirement age should only apply to those who vote in favour of this ridiculous population cap
Or… How about we implement a mandatory dying age? That would also help keep the insurance premiums low
Since the AHV percentage workers pay has to be raised every now and then anyway, this isnt something that only the SVP with their 10 mil plan would do, it ll happen eventually anyway.
The bigger question i would have is that with the cap in place and less migrants coming in that cause pur social/medical system to be overwhelmed, shouldnt it be viable to use the money we d save on that for AHV. Instead of raising the retirement age? Or are our taxes and health insurance just gonna go down?
Raise the retirement age? That won’t bring anything good.I work at the post office, delivering letters, parcels, and advertisements, and I have colleagues who are close to retirement age and physically can’t work anymore. What’s the next step,are we going to work until we die?
everything to be xenophobic
Maybe, just _maybe_, a system that is built to work only with continuous personnel growth is not sustainable to begin with.
So tired of this nonsense.
The system will fail eventually. It was built for continuous growth. Even with Immigration and later retirment age it will fail eventually just a bit later. Most western countries have this problem and yet no political party is seriously discussing any solution but just want it delayed until they can retire.
I dont even expect any pension at this point by the time i will retire.
Just accept you will not retire with AHV. The boomers got a good deal and we get to pay the bill.
The 10 million initiative is one thing and I don’t think it is a good solution.
We statistically also live longer than ever before and are also healthier than before and we rely on a system that redistributes from young to old.
The system counts on constantly importing young contributors that pay into the system and hopes they don’t stay here in their retirement. That’s also not sustainable.
So given that there are many people who can look at a retirement that will be almost as long as their working life, in good health – don’t think it is wrong to have a discussion about what is retirement and how should it look like?
Our jobmarket suffers already massively from ageism (45+!) and there are many that could and also want to contribute that haven’t reached even the current retirement age. Many retired people choose or would like to work because it gives them purpose.
And at the same time there are people who have worked in hard physical jobs who simply cannot work longer. So a modern retirement system should be able to accommodate these aspects without relying on the constant import of people.
Right now employers have the unfortunate privilege that it is very easy to import „the perfect“ young and cheap candidate instead of investing in an older local candidate or a woman. No, the 10 mio initiative is probably not the right way to solve this, but it would be good to rethink retirement and a higher or maybe better, a more individual retirement age could be a part of this.
i like the fact that they don’t wait for the announcements like that after the referendum, maybe some people will open their eyes
So the Friedrich Merz methode.
Raising retirement age is a joke, since so many companies actively seek to let go of older workers because they „cost“ too much. If you lose your job over 50, it‘s very difficult to find new employment.
“Let’s arbitrary force people to work longer so I don’t need to take responsibility for improving working conditions and updating my old fashioned management style.”
That won’t be necessary imo.
1. Real estate demand lessens with decreased immigration
2. Prices decrease
3. Young families can afford adequate accommodation.
This is a documented factor to increase a nation’s fertility which leads to higher AHV contributions.
No reason to pearl clutch.
It’s not like the racists have brains. So you know how it’s gonna go…
What is the long term plan of pro immigration people in regards to AHV (AVS)? Once we are 10 millions, will we be desperately aiming for 12 million?
On we are 12 million, will we need 15?
The idea we need large population growth to sustain the economy is a ponzi scheme and bound to lead to failure and collapse at some point. It’s unsustainable.
In 100 years, the Swiss population went from 4 million to 9 million. Yet people are arguing we don’t have enough people. It’s baffling…