
Il curriculum educativo nazionale della Turchia ha rimosso il termine “bizantino” e lo ha sostituito con “Impero Romano d’Oriente”
https://gazeteoksijen.com/egitim/turkistan-adalar-denizi-hacli-saldirilari-yeni-mufredatta-degistirilen-kavramlar-275571
di ScientistStrange4293
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That is correct.
Turkey did sth right for a change.
Greece and the entire world should do the same .No more Western Anti-Roman propaganda .
So more accurate to the empires actual name.
Which is the correct term.
Don’t tell me that this is so they can claim that Turkey is the “Third Rome,” the successor to the Roman Empire…
Entirely correctly so. Calling it “Byzantium” just undermines the reality that this was a full continuation of the Roman Empire in that part of the Mediterranean.
The people there never knew themselves as anything except Romans and referred to their state as such.
Which makes the Turkish school system more accurate than many in the west
That’s what they called their empire right, Roman Empire? And the citizens were Romans. ”Rum” was used to describe the Greek Orthodox citizens of the Ottoman Empire during its entire existence too.
I’m gonna keep calling it Byzantium. It’s an established fact and concept in Western European (Christian) historiography and I see no reason why we should abide by whatever labelling the civilization which destroyed it prefers.
It’s like Americans insisting that native Americans shouldn’t be called “Indians” after they genocided them all.
Turkey’s (“Turkiye’s”?) historiography can call it whatever it wants.
Didn’t they also change the Latin taxonomical names of several animal species because they felt offended that taxonomical names are mentioning “Armenia”?
Turks (“Turkiyians”?) seem to have a bizarre obsession with labels. What’s next?
I thought the terms were synonymous. What’s the difference?
Didn’t they call themselves just Romans?
is that an attempt to make it cooler? still far away from the original one
Wow, a surprisingly good move by the Turkish authorities.
Are the Turks doing this to hack off the Greeks? Maybe. Is this a more accurate term for the polity? You betcha.
Eh I’m gonna side with the Turks on this, I don’t know why it shouldn’t be called the Eastern Roman Empire, considering they called themselves that and not Byzantium.
I believe the reason for this is this: Lately there is a growing interest for Roman history in Turkey, a lot of historians who are well known and followed in Turkey (these historians frequently appeared on TV when the media wasn’t this bought out) started producing content on Rome. These historians were mostly known for their shows on the Ottoman Empire.
A lot of TV series depicting the Ottomans have also been produced by the government for usual counter-revolutionary anti-republican islamism purposes. In these narratives “Byzantium” is always the foreign enemy, so Turkish people are biased towards the term Byzantium. A lot of hardcore Erdogan supporters even use the term “Byzantium seed” to insult secular opposition.
However, history of Rome is relatively new for Turkish people. Even in the most prestigious Turkish history schools finding any academic research on anything other than the Ottoman empire is difficult, let alone the public perspective.
It is my belief, that by unifying the already vilified term “Byzantium” with Rome, the government is trying to further create anti-Western sentiment amongst the population.
Oddly enough I agree with Turkey here, now, in the spirit of calling things by their correct names are they open to talks about Constan……I mean Istanbul.
Not for the reasons Romaboos approve of btw, it’s so Turkish teachers can say “We’ve beaten and usurped the Roman Empire”.
There were bunch of other name changes in the history. Many of them are either stuff already mentioned within the topic or softcore Turkish propaganda.
Well, technically it’s not incorrect.
But they forget that the moon and the star are precisely the symbols of the city of Byzantium, Constantinople, which they adopted, and then the Muslims adopted it as a symbol of their religion.
And having conquered the Byzantine Empire.
I find nothing wrong with this but I find myself incredibly confused by the byzantiboo tendency to see this as some greay victory or to decay the use of “byzantium” is some sort of nefarious propaganda today.
Historiographical names for states and societies often aren’t contemporary to the time. Our split of the Roman Republic and Roman Empire into two cleanly separate things is also mostly convention, as are ideas like the dominate or principate.
The “Holy Roman Empire” is also kind of an inaccurate convention in that it was not a term that was initially or even later consistently used to describe the entity, but we have decided to use the term to distinguish it from “the” Roman Empire. Some languages use German-Roman, etc.
The Inca and the Aztecs are also exonyms applied to these people. The Myceneans didn’t call themselves that either, nor did the Hittites call themselves Hittite. The Carolingian Empire is also a neologism for a realm that was historically called the Empire of the Romans.
All this seems to me to be based on a specific nationalist fixation either on Byzantium itself (which, please, you don’t have to be an actual unironic patriot for a state that hasn’t existed for centuries) or on Greece as a continuation for it, in which case it’s important for you to somehow “claim” the legacy of Rome for national identity and pride reasons. When they’re reality is this _doesn’t matter_ and has no consequence.
I wonder how many times their Find & Replace switched “Byzantine” as an adjective meaning overly-complicated with “Eastern Roman Empire?”
Do we know why or did they do it for Byzantine reasons?
Do they teach also that Constantinople and Cyprus are occupied?
Actually, based.
As it should be.
Ok
Which is the correct term.
This is nothing new, under the rule of Ottomans, Greek Orthodox Anatolians were and still those few living here today are called, Rumi, meaning Roman.
There are even a few Rum Meyhanesi(taverns) in Istanbul.
Excellent. Byzantine empire was not a term the (Eastern ) Roman empire used
Definitely an improvement, though to be pedantic it was not called Ανατολική Ρωμαίικη Αυτοκρατορία either. It was called Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων literally “the State of the Romans”.
Yeah, let’s focus on “Eastern Roman Empire” part instead of “unfounded Armenian claims” part…
Should be Roman Empire, but at least it isn’t Byzantine anymore. After the western part was no longer under the control of the empire, there was no more East as well, there was just **the** Roman Empire and some pretender called Holy Roman Empire.