Keep draining the salary class to prop up the wealthy and the old, and this should come as no surprise
Kalagorinor on
And yet most won’t leave.
Zetakin on
Can’t leave if you’re top earner here and can’t be top earner somewhere else, so you stay and complain.
araujoms on
The rich have never been richer, and the solution is to cut taxes on the rich? Fuck off.
Upset_Following9017 on
About 1 in 500 actually follows through after “thinking about” it, according to the actual statistics cited in the same article.
IllllIIlIlllI on
According to the article definition, I am such top earner. If it was not for friends and family here, Im pretty sure I had moved. I worked and lived 6 months in Bangkok already and it worked out well. Permanently Id rather see myself in Spain I guess.
But well, Ill stay anyway 😂
Einszwo12 on
Ah yes. Headlines grabbing for attention and data backing up ….. exactly nothing.
let_me_atom on
It’s funny because here in the UK we get exactly the same headline every week. Where is this Anglo-German high-roller utopia they’re all going to?
Odd-Landscape-9418 on
And where exactly would they migrate to?
Gumbode345 on
I’m not surprised. Combine the inane remarks about people not working enough, the moronic decision to require medical certificates for one day off sick, the absolutely irresponsible attitude towards decarbonising the economy, and people will seek their luck elsewhere – including because a good number in addition probably fear the extreme right coming into power.
Fsaeunkie_5545 on
I would also consider leaving – if the afd gets an absolute majority.
C0deless3 on
I’m considering on moving my entire business out of Germany because this country reached a level of pathetic that I can’t fathom for a decade now. I don’t own a big company and I have only 5 employees that I pay well, meaning I do not line my pocket with riches. My personal income is in 6 digits and yet it’s really hard to accumulate wealth because the taxation, welfare, pension costs are beyond ridiculous.
If you do not use tricks to squeeze out every benefit from every bit of money you earn, it’s genuine hell to live in Germany as middle class. God forbid you have family you want to support. It’s mentally exhausting having to try and trick your way through life despite you working hard to live comfortably.
At this point it’s not even a question of “where to” because at a specific tax bracket you can really go anywhere with less taxation and live well. Guess what, having 50k more each year makes a massive difference in peoples lives. The only thing keeping me here right now is my family.
syf81 on
I feel the same in NL, even in a “high paying” tech career the insane cost of living in regards to housing (usually subpar), high taxes (income, savings, investments) combined with no access to real nature, expensive restaurants all serving the same Sligro / Hanos crap, etc. makes it not worth it, it would be acceptable if cost of living was about 30-50% lower.
And I guess the worst part is every area is overcrowded.
But where does one go to within Europe?
Huberweisse on
Ok but then lower the taxes only on income, and especially middle class income which boosts the internal market.
Old inherited money should be taxed more.
Ok-Luck-33 on
Tax the mega rich on their assets, close the loopholes, or these guys end up having to pay for a disproportionate amount, get frustrated, and leave.
Diacetyl-Morphin on
The germans i know here in Switzerland, that moved, they are not among the ultra rich. But they are all well educated, everyone has at least abitur. There are some that are a loss for germany, like my doctor comes from Hamburg. Such people with jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers etc. that leave are a brain drain and net loss for Germany.
Different from other parts of the world like Asia or America, they are still near Germany when they move to the neighbouring countries, it’s no problem to casually drive back home to visit family and friends.
With the new reforms from Merz and the CDU & SPD, i’d not be surprised if migration from Germany increases. Can’t remember any german that agreed with these reforms, like with the healthcare- and retirement-payments and requirements (Renten, nicht zu verwechseln mit Pensionen von Beamten, “pensions” vom Englischen ist da ein wenig irreführend). Problems in the economy, like with the loss of jobs in the car manufacturing companies like VW, it will probably further increase.
Dragotc on
Depending on the definition, I’m also in that salary range. Considering emigrating too, but then again, I’ve lived abroad and i don’t know a place that would feel more appropriate to my needs and values. Don’t want to live in a country like UAE or whatever, and the countries I’d currently like don’t seem like a place to build a future. So for now, considering still means that germany is the place to be 🙂
Longjumping-Fox7755 on
As a top earner myself, that does not mean we consider Germany to be a bad or declining place or are all tax dodgers. We are all ‘open’ to migrating simply because the next headhunter might call from Singapore or Chicago and we got rich by not letting local ties get in the way of good career opportunities, but we also come back if he calls from Germany. I have moved between cities and countries about 7 times in the last 15 years and Germany, where I live now is ok in comparison with most.
Political or economic reforms will not change the fact that we are open to migrating and we always were and it’s not a bad thing for the country, it’s a sign that you are a place where highly trained professionals cycle through.
One-Shake-1971 on
Top earners are the ones getting fucked the most by the wealthy not paying their fair share of taxes.
BlueberrySympathizer on
Not only them….
Jlx_27 on
Thats because they can afford to do it.
Theophrastus_Borg on
… and where do they wanna go?
Soggy_Weather_2170 on
I’m not a top earner, but I’m in the middle of getting a 2nd passport from another continent. In my journeys abroad I always was on the lookout for German immigrants, because there’s always an interesting story behind those that left Germany between 1930 – 1938. In the past I often found myself speculating if I would’ve been up to the challenge to sniff out the right moment when it’s really really time to leave.
I’m not afraid of the Russians. I’m not afraid of the AfD. I’m not afraid of the FN in France.
But all of them together at once?
I found my point.
shinniesta1 on
Rich people consider moving to other countries, hardly shocking
Hiimzap on
I mean according to tax law youre a “top earner” if you earn about 70k a year. And yea if you earn about 70k and are hit with a 42% income tax you really do wonder if working in germany is even worth it
Aristotallost on
Reality: 5% or less actually emigrates
Neomadra2 on
I also consider this but I really don’t know where to emigrate. It’s just a nice fantasy to have but at the end of the day it’s not so bad living in Germany.
Popcornmix on
No wonder if you have a government that reduces taxes on the ultra wealthy over decades and puts the pressure on everyone else. People earning good still struggle to accumulate wealth and everyone below just cant. ~70% of wealth is inherited
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Keep draining the salary class to prop up the wealthy and the old, and this should come as no surprise
And yet most won’t leave.
Can’t leave if you’re top earner here and can’t be top earner somewhere else, so you stay and complain.
The rich have never been richer, and the solution is to cut taxes on the rich? Fuck off.
About 1 in 500 actually follows through after “thinking about” it, according to the actual statistics cited in the same article.
According to the article definition, I am such top earner. If it was not for friends and family here, Im pretty sure I had moved. I worked and lived 6 months in Bangkok already and it worked out well. Permanently Id rather see myself in Spain I guess.
But well, Ill stay anyway 😂
Ah yes. Headlines grabbing for attention and data backing up ….. exactly nothing.
It’s funny because here in the UK we get exactly the same headline every week. Where is this Anglo-German high-roller utopia they’re all going to?
And where exactly would they migrate to?
I’m not surprised. Combine the inane remarks about people not working enough, the moronic decision to require medical certificates for one day off sick, the absolutely irresponsible attitude towards decarbonising the economy, and people will seek their luck elsewhere – including because a good number in addition probably fear the extreme right coming into power.
I would also consider leaving – if the afd gets an absolute majority.
I’m considering on moving my entire business out of Germany because this country reached a level of pathetic that I can’t fathom for a decade now. I don’t own a big company and I have only 5 employees that I pay well, meaning I do not line my pocket with riches. My personal income is in 6 digits and yet it’s really hard to accumulate wealth because the taxation, welfare, pension costs are beyond ridiculous.
If you do not use tricks to squeeze out every benefit from every bit of money you earn, it’s genuine hell to live in Germany as middle class. God forbid you have family you want to support. It’s mentally exhausting having to try and trick your way through life despite you working hard to live comfortably.
At this point it’s not even a question of “where to” because at a specific tax bracket you can really go anywhere with less taxation and live well. Guess what, having 50k more each year makes a massive difference in peoples lives. The only thing keeping me here right now is my family.
I feel the same in NL, even in a “high paying” tech career the insane cost of living in regards to housing (usually subpar), high taxes (income, savings, investments) combined with no access to real nature, expensive restaurants all serving the same Sligro / Hanos crap, etc. makes it not worth it, it would be acceptable if cost of living was about 30-50% lower.
And I guess the worst part is every area is overcrowded.
But where does one go to within Europe?
Ok but then lower the taxes only on income, and especially middle class income which boosts the internal market.
Old inherited money should be taxed more.
Tax the mega rich on their assets, close the loopholes, or these guys end up having to pay for a disproportionate amount, get frustrated, and leave.
The germans i know here in Switzerland, that moved, they are not among the ultra rich. But they are all well educated, everyone has at least abitur. There are some that are a loss for germany, like my doctor comes from Hamburg. Such people with jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers etc. that leave are a brain drain and net loss for Germany.
Different from other parts of the world like Asia or America, they are still near Germany when they move to the neighbouring countries, it’s no problem to casually drive back home to visit family and friends.
With the new reforms from Merz and the CDU & SPD, i’d not be surprised if migration from Germany increases. Can’t remember any german that agreed with these reforms, like with the healthcare- and retirement-payments and requirements (Renten, nicht zu verwechseln mit Pensionen von Beamten, “pensions” vom Englischen ist da ein wenig irreführend). Problems in the economy, like with the loss of jobs in the car manufacturing companies like VW, it will probably further increase.
Depending on the definition, I’m also in that salary range. Considering emigrating too, but then again, I’ve lived abroad and i don’t know a place that would feel more appropriate to my needs and values. Don’t want to live in a country like UAE or whatever, and the countries I’d currently like don’t seem like a place to build a future. So for now, considering still means that germany is the place to be 🙂
As a top earner myself, that does not mean we consider Germany to be a bad or declining place or are all tax dodgers. We are all ‘open’ to migrating simply because the next headhunter might call from Singapore or Chicago and we got rich by not letting local ties get in the way of good career opportunities, but we also come back if he calls from Germany. I have moved between cities and countries about 7 times in the last 15 years and Germany, where I live now is ok in comparison with most.
Political or economic reforms will not change the fact that we are open to migrating and we always were and it’s not a bad thing for the country, it’s a sign that you are a place where highly trained professionals cycle through.
Top earners are the ones getting fucked the most by the wealthy not paying their fair share of taxes.
Not only them….
Thats because they can afford to do it.
… and where do they wanna go?
I’m not a top earner, but I’m in the middle of getting a 2nd passport from another continent. In my journeys abroad I always was on the lookout for German immigrants, because there’s always an interesting story behind those that left Germany between 1930 – 1938. In the past I often found myself speculating if I would’ve been up to the challenge to sniff out the right moment when it’s really really time to leave.
I’m not afraid of the Russians. I’m not afraid of the AfD. I’m not afraid of the FN in France.
But all of them together at once?
I found my point.
Rich people consider moving to other countries, hardly shocking
I mean according to tax law youre a “top earner” if you earn about 70k a year. And yea if you earn about 70k and are hit with a 42% income tax you really do wonder if working in germany is even worth it
Reality: 5% or less actually emigrates
I also consider this but I really don’t know where to emigrate. It’s just a nice fantasy to have but at the end of the day it’s not so bad living in Germany.
No wonder if you have a government that reduces taxes on the ultra wealthy over decades and puts the pressure on everyone else. People earning good still struggle to accumulate wealth and everyone below just cant. ~70% of wealth is inherited
>better quality of life
>United States
😭😭