Alcune persone vogliono smantellare l’UE. Perché non vogliono dividere gli Stati Uniti?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/jul/19/eu-us-federal-question-european-union
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Alcune persone vogliono smantellare l’UE. Perché non vogliono dividere gli Stati Uniti?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/jul/19/eu-us-federal-question-european-union
di paneuropeanism_
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Because divide (others) et impera
They do though? Plenty of people want Texas/California out of the union.
Simple, there’s no legal pathway to secession in The U.S. and the country is more or less homogeneous in its national identity everyone is “American”
Breaking America apart is this very hard thing to achieve for any propagandist. Doesn’t mean they’re not trying, America is today more divided than ever.
There’s also no question about sovereignty outside of federal contra state law, whereas The EU’s role unarguably comes at the cost of national sovereignty.
Because the US doesn’t like playing fair. It will also facilitate and do the bidding of the rich and wealthy corporations.
they want to – who you think wants to break us society in civil war/race war?
Americans want to break up the states more than Europeans want to break up Europe
Spot on. In fact, if this Russo-American axis continues to fund/boost petty nationalists here, Europe should return the favor. Cultivate independence movements in Russia and the US.
> *If it’s wrong, as some would say, for European countries to come together as a fully federal European Union, rather than individual states, why is it right for the US to be a federation rather than separate states?*
The author is right. Trying to fragment Europe while everyone else is consolidating is not gonna happen. Break up China, Russia, the US and India first.
“Some people” are either logically incoherent or are a Venn diagram of individuals.
Doesn’t Texas threaten to secede pretty regularly.
This is because the EU represents major competition for countries like the US, impacting not only their companies but also their exported values. When we stand together, we are much stronger, allowing us to bargain effectively and protect ourselves from exploitation.
Some of the “some people” are tied to the heritage foundation neonazis, and they’re american, so obviously they don’t want to harm their own thing.
Other “some people” are tied to russians though, and they sure have some tendencies to spread “separatism” in the USA, but they’re not that serious about it. It’s just for the chaos, violence, and making the USA (and any other country where they fuel separatism) just weaker and paralyzed regardless of whether the fake separatism is successful or not. 😀
US is si fucked up right now that that naturaly the EU has become a target. And because of the russian influence in EU the target is more approachable…
Because the current US administration doesn’t want equals. They want vassals and servants.
It’s a cruel streak in American society. That’s also why they haven’t raised the federal minimum wage in 17 years. It’s at $7,25 per hour. You want a tip so you can feed your children? Kneel and smile!
That being said, tribalism in the US is peaking because of the many manufactured culture wars. Who knows how United the States will be in 20 or 40 years?
But is eu really together?? Some countries import from china some ban it, some countries have different rules to one another..some leaders sabotage by approving 100s of thousands of illegal immigrants..they can travel anywhere in Europe..then how do people say eu is together?
Who says they don’t want the US to break up? It is mush harder to “breakup” the US and will require a War. Some states tried it once.
They do, hence the friction between republicans, maga and democrats
American here. We tried that a while back and went to war over it. Lots of people died. In the end we stayed together for the kids.
Because many of those people are USA based megacorp who want to deal with us in a position of greater strenght or USA based politicians and it is advantageous for them to have us being weak.
Putin would also love the USA to splinter as well, but we have to remember that the European union is just a relatively loose alliance of states that while somewhat integrated are still independant so it is realistic that the union could dissolve, the united states federal government is much harder to dismantle since the USA is a federal unitary state.
Still they both support extremist parties aimed at weakening the federal state in the USA as well, since those fits the interests both of the corporations that want to deal with weaker entities they can bully and control at far lower expense and the foreign powers that want to see the USA diminished. They might not be able to rip apart the nation in the same way they can tear down the european union, but they can for sure sow enough division to make it weaker and less effective.
Is the EU a nation?
Why would you even want to? Whatever would come out of it could very easily be worse than what exists now. Like when the USSR collapsed and modern Russia emerged from it.
Give in mind we are sadly not in EU but people over here are more supportive of USA then EU the reason imo is because they brought so much to us as a nation so many people still look at US with stars in their eyes
There are plenty of bot campaigns aimed at dividing the US.
Thiel/Musk do want to break up the US into a collective of cities each ruled by a CEO like New Vegas in Fallout NV (the game) as a long term moonshot goal.
Because the US is run by corporations and the EU at least has some resistance to being ruled by corporations
The US has national pride. We identify as Americans first
Hostile powers want that.
Because the US is under their control already?
They EU are sovereign states which cooperate. The US is a federation with one sovereign.
Those people live in the US and see EU as a threat to their already swollen bank accounts
Because the people who want to break up the EU are in the US
It is many things US/Russia/China want, but splitting US is hard-to-do-goal.
Splitting EU is much much easier so they went for the easy target… It is our own=EU fault it is easier, inside fighting cause of petty reason, populistic politicans that sacrafice EU power for local gain….
Because that’s nearly impossible? It’s much harder to break up the most powerful country in the world than a loose union of countries where membership is fully voluntary.
This isn’t even considered an article, it’s garbage journalism and propaganda to begin a non existent issue. It’s only a few sentences with no source or anything. No one is even pushing in the US for the tear down of the EU.
As long as Russia exists, the United States has no geopolitical interest to break the EU. It’s rather the opposite, it is only in Russian geopolitical interest to tear down the EU and has been extensively documented such as in the famous book “the geopolitical future of Russia” by Alexander dougin where it details step by step how to tear the EU apart.
The US is one single country. The EU is several countries. It’s not the same.
Plenty of people want the US to split into 2 or 3 separate countries. The most complicated parts of splitting up a country are a lot of the same reasons why Britain is in the crap chute it’s in right now.
Trading and traveling can be cumbersome when security and taxes are involved.
I mean it certainly seems like somebody is working on it and is succeeding.
Because they want to break the EU, and not break themselves.
Because European mid powers banded together become a threat to super powers.
Not being allowed to leave the US is well established precedent
Europe need to start doing the same to U.S. Let them taste their own interference medicine. American politic is so polarised that it should be extremely easy.
Because it is other powerhouses like USA that want weak EU, as it’s their competition.
Specific states would be more than willing to decouple and form separate unions outside the U.S. However, the U.S. has no social safety net and an exorbitant amount of military bases within its internal borders. The U.S. also has extensive natural borders to the left and to the right (Atlantic and Pacific Oceans).
With that said. It will be an onslaught of “red vs blue”, with the federal government supporting “red states” via military occupation and/or ICE occupation. It will lead to a new Civil War that will cause exorbitant destruction, casualties, and the world economy to crater like never before (due to it being extensively intertwined).
Edit 1: States do not have their own independent armies. Most law enforcement would most likely side with the federal government.
Yes, Europe poses a “competitive threat” to the U.S., but only to the oligarchs and not the general population. The billionaire class is “threatened” due to the laws and statutes being enacted, including robust consumer protection laws. In essence this is class warfare and billionaire kleptocrats don’t like regulation. The EU regulates to protect consumers, therefore the oligarchs want to dismantle it.
The E.U. must hold the line and not capitulate to corporate grift! It must also act expeditiously to remove those attempting to dismantle it from within, similar to what is occurring in the U.S.
The amount of current brazen corruption by the Trump Administration and its enablers makes the corruption of the Balkans in the 90’s seem “inconsequential” and/or “frivolous” to say the least.
Because the US are the ones wanting to break up the EU and working on breaking itself.
If you are all about “might makes right”, and you got all the might, everything contradicting you is an obastacle…
So you have clear sides: Pro the system that lets you do things and anti the side that is not yet united and could block you and at least pose a threat to your narrative of trickle-down, producer/seller economics and “it’s the economy, stupid”, where “economy” is a euphemism for your buddies not the total national economy (more the S&P500 and not including the car workshop around the corner and whether somebody can feed their children)
Because the us is a shithole. Who wants to break up a shit hole and let all that shit out.
Eh … Some absolutely do. What a stupid question.
I would like to quarantine the corporate greed and exploitations in the USA. I’m less picky about how they collapse.