Ciao a tutti!
Sto lavorando a un progetto che è fondamentalmente un gioco in cui il giocatore cerca di reintegrare il trasporto pubblico di Berlino tra est e ovest nel 1990 (non chiedetemi come mi è stato assegnato questo 😅).
Ho questa mappa del 1987. A quanto ho capito, le linee verde chiaro sono la normale S-Bahn (l’odierna Ringbahn), e le linee verde scuro sono treni regionali che si possono viaggiare con la tariffa della S-Bahn. Ho ragione?
Inoltre mi piacerebbe sentire il parere di chi ha preso la S-Bahn negli anni ’80.
- Come è stato?
- Era pulito, affidabile e puntuale?
- I treni si rompevano spesso?
- Com’era il personale?
- Controllavano spesso i biglietti?
- Quanto era comune cavalcare il nero?
- Quanto era conveniente (supponendo che lavorassi nella DDR)?
- Com’è andato il controllo di frontiera alla stazione di Friedrichstraße? C’erano altri controlli sulla linea della S-Bahn?
Infine, per le persone che hanno utilizzato sia la S-Bahn di Berlino Ovest che quella di Berlino Est, ci sono state differenze evidenti? So che, soprattutto prima del 1984, i berlinesi occidentali generalmente evitavano la S-Bahn.
Davvero, chiunque possa condividere le proprie esperienze sarebbe molto apprezzato!
Grazie mille!
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Leaving a comment here because I never knew that I wanted to know but now I do
You got it the wrong way around.
The light green lines are sbahn services, while dark green are regional dervices going via the outer ring (not the sbahn ring), going around west berlin.
There are still regional services on the outer ring, but they don’t play as big of a role as they did back than, when there was no alternative get into berlin from all directions, like it’s the today.
It was immer bereit ✊🏻
Dark green is the S-Bahn, light green is the regional railway. The circle line stopped running as a circle after the S-Bahn boycott in 1980. The circular line you see here is the [Berlin outer ring.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_outer_ring)
Grew up there. We west Berliners never used it much at all.
I see Pac-Man.
The other way around: Dark green is the S-Bahn, light green the Regionalbahn.
I can’t answer your questions, was too young back then to remember, but one other thing: “riding black” (schwarzfahren) I assume you mean fare-evading? 😂
1987?
Can’t be. Or at least I don’t think so.
Because there is an S plus U Wuhletal on it. The extension to Hönow came VERY late – I’m not entirely sure if it was pre 90 even – and wuhletal station didn’t exist at all before then, it wasn’t a pure S station either, there was nothing there except the Wuhleaue and forests.
According to Wikipedia, the station went online on July 1 1989. Which seems plausible at least.
No idea if it matters, you could just date the map as of 1989 … but if it did matter you might want to try and find another.
ETA – questions!
– how was it, well it was plenty fun for kids at least. Nothing like the current paranoia. You could open the doors a couple moments after the train left the station- people used to hop off as the trains came in. Only the elderly would wait for standstill.
– cleanliness, definitely tons cleaner than post 89. Of course Berlin was always the one place in all of the GDR where things had to be just right…. But even so, trains were cleaner. And so were S and U.
– did trains break down? Sure. Of course it’s a long long time ago BUT I’d say overall trains were more reliable. Not because of some advanced equipment, more because they were a lot slower than they are now. S and U were rather resilient- but they could and did break down. And when they did it was NEVER a quick fix. Still remember the party we had in Hoppegarten because electricity failed – it was several hours later that we got a Diesel engine to pull the dead S trains.
Staff? It’s Berlin lol. The term Kodderschnauze was coined by them and for them. But that said, then as now, they were friendly enough.
– tickets? Berlin had automated ticket machines even then, I think they were the only ones who did. I couldn’t say anything about checks in the S and U – don’t really remember it happening- but tickets are cheap enough that there was not much of a point.
No idea about border control. I know enough to understand why Friedrichstraße was referred to as Tränenpalast. But that’s pretty much it. I really didn’t care then and kinda still don’t now.
I can’t speak about the public transport in East Berlin. I’m too young for this.
But there is an interesting museum, the Tränenpalast (palace of tears), which I visted a couple of years back. It’s basically a special hall right next to the station Friedrichsstraße which served as the immigration office for East Germans who wanted to leave. This is where families said goobye to their loved ones, knowing they probably won’t see each other any time on, or potentially ever again. Lots of tears, which is the reason for it’s name.
In there was a map that laid out the different paths West and East Germans had to take. For West Germans there was a possibility, to arrive with a long distance train, for example from Hamburg and to enter West Berlin without ever officially stepping foot on East German ground. These paths looked like a labirynt and at no point did the ever cross with the paths East Germans had to take to get out.
They went through a labyrinth too, with multiple check points. The chambers with the first control are still standing there. You can only get in there as a single person. Even children were forced to answer questions and provide document on their own. They have mirrors so that the officer can see people from all sides. Once you got past this, there was a corridor with multiple check points along the way.
Therefore, for East Germans leaving the DDR forever, there were very strict border checks, while for West Germans entering West Berlin there weren’t any. They used paths without any possibility to enter East Germany and could therefore enter West Berlin without any border checks.
East lines looks like hammer and sickle