That would lead to a tyranny of the majority. Especially for the richer countries.
foolsjam on
Nopes ☺️
Imaginary_Ad_9058 on
I can’t see how this is a good thing. Surely it will get things moving faster, but faster doesn’t mean better
Remarkable-Role3230 on
The EU isn’t a democracy its a collection of equal sovereigns that’s why we have unionimty.
AtlanticRelation on
This will fail because of… you guessed it!
It’s not that surprising either, as it was one of the core tenets for the Union. Initially put in place to protect national sovereignty (among other things). The barrier to entry would otherwise have been significantly higher for new members, I think – and for the Bloc to accept new members as well.
The solution is still a Europe of two speeds. Make a small club of the willing, reform, and if it’s a success, others will join.
Old_Decision2375 on
Great, let’s get going 🇪🇺
Mir_man on
This is more likely to cause nations to leave the EU in the long run.
razethenecro on
I feel like the good middle point would be to require a supermajority, aka 75%, to pass, so things can’t be blocked by just one country
dkopgerpgdolfg on
The EU that can overrule most national laws of its member countries, with this change then even if a country doesn’t want it?
The EU that already can push new laws through a rejection of its parliament, just by trying more than once?
The EU that has a commission at its core that always was criticized for its missing democratic legitimacy?
The EU that spirals more and more into authoritative surveillance?
hukep on
Easier said, than done.
D00M1R4 on
They just wanna revoke every climate and environment regulation but nordic countries and France+Spain wont vote for it
jatmous on
Certain things that Germany doesn’t like may then also be passed.
Mikkel65 on
The unanimity rule was established back when the EU was small. It doesn’t really work for such a large organisation like it is today.
AkirroKun on
That’s an oxymoron since this will require a unanimous vote
rintzscar on
This is a non-starter. Zero chance of this happening. Enhanced cooperation and a reformed budget is what they should be focusing on. Both are in their priorities, as written in the article, but there is zero chance of the veto being abolished, so there’s no point in wasting political capital on it.
blacknwhiteknight on
Absolutely not. At least not in crucial issues.
iateyourdinner on
Some type of supermajority threshold seems like the obvious way to go
JazzlikeDiamond558 on
Germany is a downwards country inhabited and led by incompetent and s…d people.
Unanimity is a (although problematic) rule that provides that the decisions are made for the benefit of everyone.
Now, since the issue here is actually a defence budget (for Ukraine) that country is in dire need of… and blocking of the same budget by Russia (through it’s puppet Hungary/Orban; I am well aware of recent political changes in Hungary and am in support of those) – that same unanimity rule is obviously problematic.
So, the bloc could have come out with an amendment to exclude the unanimity rule in the case where, on certain (as lower as possible) scale, the human lives are endangered. That would imply the wars, natural disasters and so on and in such way they could circumvent the unanimity rule, vote by majority and, in this case, say “f..k you” to Putin and Orban.
Has Germany suggested that? No. Sapienti sat.
The light in that country has been turned off since they lay in bed with russians for their cheap gas. And they still are, as the Russian oil is being imported through India.
It is a bigger question why Germany wants unanimity gone completely?
And when we’re at the subject, once the defence budget for Ukraine is approved, how about releasing some 20-30 billion to ease the fuel and electricity prices for the rest of us, instead of lining the pockets of Germany’s prime minister’s friends from Shell, BP, RheinEnergie and the like.
KP6fanclub on
Correct, this 100% works with maybe 10-15 countries. When You have close to 30, the propability for 1 or 2 idiots in the punch is too high.
JimTheSaint on
Absolutely – lets get this done while people can still recall how many problems Hungary was able to cause for 10 years
BigBangBoomerang on
Unanimity reform isn’t needed when sovereign EU states can just agree to act collectively on goals they all agree on. The veto is a sovereign right, removing it only promotes euroscepticism. A coalition of the willing can act decisively without infringing on the sovereignty of states that do not want to participate.
Ok_Cancel_7891 on
FO… is all what I would say to this
Edit: before political union, we need fiscal one.
Meaning all our public debts should be merged together, and Germany that has 65% debt to GDP should take a share of France’s 118% debt, Italy’s 140% debt to gdp, etc
runkel-huhn on
Maybe Germany should start applying EU laws first before asking to change how EU decides them. For example, two weeks of paid leave for fathers after childbirth instead of one day.
Anyway, the need for 100% approval to pass new laws is pretty impractical. If a single country is not on board with basic human rights for example, they should be “forced” to accept them or be kicked out, imho.
Neonbunt on
Whatever you do, do not trust anything German politicians say atm. In fact, I’d recommend doing the exact opposite of what they want…
orbitlenspen on
They’re gonna have to vote unanimously to get this passed so it won’t.
BubblyMoose3597 on
Should be 80%
Pervius94 on
One bumfuckle country full of hicks being able to veto everything and anything was an asinine thing to start in the first place.
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Good.
How about no?
Germoney wants to unilateraly rule the EU.
That would lead to a tyranny of the majority. Especially for the richer countries.
Nopes ☺️
I can’t see how this is a good thing. Surely it will get things moving faster, but faster doesn’t mean better
The EU isn’t a democracy its a collection of equal sovereigns that’s why we have unionimty.
This will fail because of… you guessed it!
It’s not that surprising either, as it was one of the core tenets for the Union. Initially put in place to protect national sovereignty (among other things). The barrier to entry would otherwise have been significantly higher for new members, I think – and for the Bloc to accept new members as well.
The solution is still a Europe of two speeds. Make a small club of the willing, reform, and if it’s a success, others will join.
Great, let’s get going 🇪🇺
This is more likely to cause nations to leave the EU in the long run.
I feel like the good middle point would be to require a supermajority, aka 75%, to pass, so things can’t be blocked by just one country
The EU that can overrule most national laws of its member countries, with this change then even if a country doesn’t want it?
The EU that already can push new laws through a rejection of its parliament, just by trying more than once?
The EU that has a commission at its core that always was criticized for its missing democratic legitimacy?
The EU that spirals more and more into authoritative surveillance?
Easier said, than done.
They just wanna revoke every climate and environment regulation but nordic countries and France+Spain wont vote for it
Certain things that Germany doesn’t like may then also be passed.
The unanimity rule was established back when the EU was small. It doesn’t really work for such a large organisation like it is today.
That’s an oxymoron since this will require a unanimous vote
This is a non-starter. Zero chance of this happening. Enhanced cooperation and a reformed budget is what they should be focusing on. Both are in their priorities, as written in the article, but there is zero chance of the veto being abolished, so there’s no point in wasting political capital on it.
Absolutely not. At least not in crucial issues.
Some type of supermajority threshold seems like the obvious way to go
Germany is a downwards country inhabited and led by incompetent and s…d people.
Unanimity is a (although problematic) rule that provides that the decisions are made for the benefit of everyone.
Now, since the issue here is actually a defence budget (for Ukraine) that country is in dire need of… and blocking of the same budget by Russia (through it’s puppet Hungary/Orban; I am well aware of recent political changes in Hungary and am in support of those) – that same unanimity rule is obviously problematic.
So, the bloc could have come out with an amendment to exclude the unanimity rule in the case where, on certain (as lower as possible) scale, the human lives are endangered. That would imply the wars, natural disasters and so on and in such way they could circumvent the unanimity rule, vote by majority and, in this case, say “f..k you” to Putin and Orban.
Has Germany suggested that? No. Sapienti sat.
The light in that country has been turned off since they lay in bed with russians for their cheap gas. And they still are, as the Russian oil is being imported through India.
It is a bigger question why Germany wants unanimity gone completely?
And when we’re at the subject, once the defence budget for Ukraine is approved, how about releasing some 20-30 billion to ease the fuel and electricity prices for the rest of us, instead of lining the pockets of Germany’s prime minister’s friends from Shell, BP, RheinEnergie and the like.
Correct, this 100% works with maybe 10-15 countries. When You have close to 30, the propability for 1 or 2 idiots in the punch is too high.
Absolutely – lets get this done while people can still recall how many problems Hungary was able to cause for 10 years
Unanimity reform isn’t needed when sovereign EU states can just agree to act collectively on goals they all agree on. The veto is a sovereign right, removing it only promotes euroscepticism. A coalition of the willing can act decisively without infringing on the sovereignty of states that do not want to participate.
FO… is all what I would say to this
Edit: before political union, we need fiscal one.
Meaning all our public debts should be merged together, and Germany that has 65% debt to GDP should take a share of France’s 118% debt, Italy’s 140% debt to gdp, etc
Maybe Germany should start applying EU laws first before asking to change how EU decides them. For example, two weeks of paid leave for fathers after childbirth instead of one day.
Anyway, the need for 100% approval to pass new laws is pretty impractical. If a single country is not on board with basic human rights for example, they should be “forced” to accept them or be kicked out, imho.
Whatever you do, do not trust anything German politicians say atm. In fact, I’d recommend doing the exact opposite of what they want…
They’re gonna have to vote unanimously to get this passed so it won’t.
Should be 80%
One bumfuckle country full of hicks being able to veto everything and anything was an asinine thing to start in the first place.
“[Liberum veto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto)” was one of the things that brought down the Polish-Lithuanian union.
All fun and games until the rest of the eu goes against what germany wants.