Ehi ragazzi,
Sono in vacanza a Riga in questo momento (adoro la città tra l’altro) e non ho potuto fare a meno di notare che i nomi stranieri (come gli autori di libri) vengono trasformati in lettone e lo trovo piuttosto interessante.
Sapreste dirmi per favore se si fa con tutti i nomi stranieri o solo in alcuni casi specifici? Qual è la ragione di ciò?
Nella mia lingua madre ceca, aggiungiamo noi "ovuli" per i cognomi femminili stranieri (Jane Austenovuli)ma per il resto rimangono gli stessi. Grazie!
EDIT: sono semplicemente curioso, non sto dicendo che sia giusto o sbagliato. Non c’è bisogno di essere sarcastici
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Wow, you should see what Chinese and Japanese do with European names…
We are quite tame in comparison
[https://likumi.lv/ta/en/en/id/85209-regulations-regarding-the-written-form-and-use-in-the-latvian-language-of-personal-names-and-also-identification-thereof](https://likumi.lv/ta/en/en/id/85209-regulations-regarding-the-written-form-and-use-in-the-latvian-language-of-personal-names-and-also-identification-thereof)
The Latvianize every name based on the closest pronunciation in Latvian. Always sounds a bit awkward.
There are rules and you can’t choose your name spelling.
They don’t actually stay the same if you have added “ova” to their name, do they?
This is mostly because latvian grammar can not interact with any foreign names, so we just need to change them in order to use and inflect them.
They are translated/transcribed to closest sounds in Latvian. Female names have -a -e ending for our grammatical rules and male names have -s -š -us -is -o endings to names.
Virdžīnija Vulva!!!
Werr my Trauma Moralis gang at??!
We also have database with Latvian form of the names: https://www.personvarduatveide.lv/
Basically, about your history we would say Kārlis IV, Bohēmijas karalis un Svētās Romas Impērijas ķeizars, Vāclavs IV, Luksemburgas Sigismunds.
It is here where your story begins.
You should see what we do to geographical names
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Look at this craziness! How dare someone adapt a foreign name to their language!
Thats just one of our language quirks – when translating proper nouns they are spelt the way they sound instead of how they’re spelt originally. “Matthew McConaughey” is written as “Metjū Makkonakijs”, because thats how you pronounce the name. “New York” is spelt as “Ņujorka”, adding the -a suffix because its a city, and cities use the feminine noun grammar. Meanwhile “London” is simply spelt as “Londona” because, well, its already pronounced that way, pretty straigthforward. Latvian is an extremely phonetic (?) language, its largely read the same way its written, the opposite of, say, english.
There are some tricky rulings on, for example, when to use “a” versus “o”, ir “s” instead of “z”, but yeah. Enjoy your stay with us and our quirky lil language 😀
Filmu nosaukumu tulkojumi ir amizantākā lieta pasaulē.
It is not just “ova”, though, is it? You Czechs took the name of 刘慈欣 and you butchered it into “Liou Cch’-sin”, which looks nothing like the original and I bet you do not pronounce it correctly. Or you took the name Пушкин and spelled it with 0 original letters, Puškin. You probably pronounce it okay, though. Or you took Tennessee Williams and while in “nominative” you didn’t touch it, you start twisting it the second you start talking about him. Williamsovi rodiče? Williamsově sestře?
So you know, every language adapts foreign words to their grammar, pronunciation, etc. Why so surprised?
From view of history – almost every name is foreign name!
Just curious – how do you pronounce “Jane Austenová”?
Is it the English way until you get to the “ová”? Or would you pronounce the whole thing as if it were a Czech word and you read it phonetically?
In Latvian you try to write it out as close to the original pronunciation as possible. Otherwise “Jane” will just get read as YA-ne. (“Dž” is the equivalent of an English “J”.)
I mean it was just a question, why people are so defensive?
And if we are talking about these rules, there are issues. Like, Latvians who get married with foreigners and then have a passport where their last name might not look like anything of their partner/children – because they are, say, not Wolf but Vulfa.
If you want to go down that route: what’s going on with vowels in Czech? Was there a drought of vowels when it was invented or an excess of consonants? I mean take the poor old Bob Ctvrlik as an example – his surname sounds like a convoluted keyboard shortcut.
What’s up with that?