ofc, it will be same shitty tyrant as putin.
It’s like discovering that the next leader of China or Korea will be another despot….
nihil novi
pothkan on
No shit, Sherlock. Putin isn’t a core problem, existence of Russia as a country is. There will be no peace unless it’s dissolved into multiple, smaller countries – which hopefully would focus on development and prosperity of their citizens.
IndistinctChatters on
This is exactly what I am saying to all those naive persons who think that after putin, russia will turn magically into a democratic and peaceful country.
Eminence_grizzly on
He could be worse, he could be better, he could be the same. We don’t know that.
What we do know is that he will be **weaker** at the beginning of his reign.
Willing-Donut6834 on
Après moi le déluge ! This is a tired line from tired dictators trying to maintain their grip on their waning power. Don’t fall for it. Putin and his people are the ones responsible for the war and its crimes, no hypothetical future tyrant. He is the tyrant, right before our very eyes.
sweetno on
And so what? Putin still needs to be dealt with.
bbbar on
These “oppositioners” should shut the fuck up
Oerthling on
I’m tired of the “Putin’s successor is going to be worse” argument. It’s irrelevant. One day he’ll have a heart attack and drop dead anyway. The successor will be worse or not. We’ll eventually find out, guaranteed.
Meanwhile this argument certainly helps Putin. And Putin doesn’t deserve help.
EDCEGACE on
Russian “opposition”
Amadey on
so russian “opposition” after the exchange:
* drop the sanctions, ordinary russians are struggling!
* we should respect russian sovereignty (the question about Creamia)
* putin’s successor could be worse
it needs no comments
acatnamedrupert on
Who cares!
We will beat Putin just as we will beat any successor that tries to mess with Europe.
didierdechezcarglass on
And so could he be better for us. Like Gorbachev. What matters is the dictatorship is brought down
Pipapaul on
The prisoner that goes by the name bladimir Vutin
Great-Ass on
More dangerous, maybe, more easy to assassinate? who knows. With a tighter grib on power than Putin? Who knows.
ChungsGhost on
So what’s the implication of this Russian “liberal”? That we should adopt [learned helplessness like the everyday Russian](https://granta.com/russia-verge-nervous-breakdown/) and just tell the Ukrainians to suck it up after yet another Russian air raid or zerg-rush?
Is this “liberal” insinuating that Someone Else™ (i.e. the West) has to do to the hard and dirty work (invasion and occupation of Russia?) to minimize the chance of Putin’s successor possibly being worse?
Far be it from Russians *themselves* doing their part to purge themselves of their perverse and centuries-old attraction to a societal comfort zone that involves reverence of a “President”, General Secretary, Czar, Czarina or Great Khan.
inokentii on
Zero days without so-called “good” russians spreading kremlin propaganda narratives😁
UnpoliteGuy on
Worse for Russians you mean
prof_atlas on
Worse how, exactly?
He’s the epitome of sick KGB worldview. He’s giving 110% in Ukraine and still can’t win. Russian economy is in the toilet. Russian demographics are near unrecoverable. He threatens nukes every other week.
You don’t stay with an asshole because you’re afraid of meeting another asshole – you tell them it’s over, we’re breaking up with you, Vladimir, so put on your heels and ride shirtless out of town (to the hague).
terra_filius on
we’ll deal with him when he comes, now we need to deal with Putin
SlyScorpion on
It’s gonna be Yeltsin 2.0 followed by another Putin as is tradition by now…
Golda_M on
Why is Russian politics always so G*d##m mysterious? Ukraine and Belarus are never quite as obtuse. Politics have always been as legible as any.
Who are even the major factions in Russia?
catdogpigduck on
Nice post, Putin
lostindanet on
Ultra nationalistic warlords and ultra corrupt warlords will be the problem, the black market for radioactive warheads and materials will be the real issue, more than pipelines and such.
jcrestor on
wE sHoULd proTeCT puTiN!!! FoR our CHILDREN
Sekhen on
But they wouldn’t have the clout to dictate as much.
If things get even worse, it will get very hard for the new guy.
TrailJunky on
So, if they wanna party, we will bring the beer and the NATO response force.
uzu_afk on
Putin’s successor could be just as bad – says rando living in a tree house. See? I can do this too.
Raffney on
Hard to imagine how it could get much worse.
I mean he already is attacking other countries. Tries to destabilize the west as much as possible, is killing opposition left and right and destroys anything democratic in russia.
What is worse? Dropping the nuke? Is that this old russian rhetoric again?
Manul_Supremacy on
It’s almost like all released russian “””prisoners””” (btw look at Ukrainians after prisoner exchanges to see what actual russian prisoners look like) were putin’s plants that began spreading his narratives the moment they left the plane.
spring_gubbjavel on
It’s just going to be the same shit. Russia isn’t an extension of Putin, rather Putin is what russia sees when it looks in the mirror. When putin croaks, it’ll still be russia looking in the mirror. Nothing will change. The silver lining, though, will be that when he is gone it’ll be one less person who wants us all dead. But we must remember that he is just one of them.
Awkward-Exchange-463 on
Worse for Russia certainly
lawrotzr on
Yup. I have always been against the idea that killing or a dying Putin would change anything. Russia is a criminal state that first has to fall (and then not just its president) before it can ever move on. Historically, it has always had criminal regimes – maybe with a few exceptions.
So our Western assumption that it will get better once Putin is gone is wishful thinking. Imo, the country first had to collapse to then be reorganized in such a way it will have no major power any more (cut it up maybe in independent states?), then at least we don’t have to worry about it any more.
Evilscotsman30 on
The only way that will happen is if his successor is the kurgan lol.
TheDungen on
Time in power confers legitimacy. Putin’s successor might be crazier than he is but he will also have to chose between purging the Russian ranks of those who’s loyalties aren’t certain which weakens the abilities of the Russian state. or leaving a lot of people in place who may be thinking “I should have been the one to succeed Putin”.
BootsanPants on
Putin should have spent all this time and money setting up the Russian state for success once he is gone, by reducing corruption and trying to move to a more democratic system, instead of one of bribes, corruption and fear. That could have been a very respectable legacy, instead he’s got an international warrant for his arrest and NK + Iran as his only allies.
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ofc, it will be same shitty tyrant as putin.
It’s like discovering that the next leader of China or Korea will be another despot….
nihil novi
No shit, Sherlock. Putin isn’t a core problem, existence of Russia as a country is. There will be no peace unless it’s dissolved into multiple, smaller countries – which hopefully would focus on development and prosperity of their citizens.
This is exactly what I am saying to all those naive persons who think that after putin, russia will turn magically into a democratic and peaceful country.
He could be worse, he could be better, he could be the same. We don’t know that.
What we do know is that he will be **weaker** at the beginning of his reign.
Après moi le déluge ! This is a tired line from tired dictators trying to maintain their grip on their waning power. Don’t fall for it. Putin and his people are the ones responsible for the war and its crimes, no hypothetical future tyrant. He is the tyrant, right before our very eyes.
And so what? Putin still needs to be dealt with.
These “oppositioners” should shut the fuck up
I’m tired of the “Putin’s successor is going to be worse” argument. It’s irrelevant. One day he’ll have a heart attack and drop dead anyway. The successor will be worse or not. We’ll eventually find out, guaranteed.
Meanwhile this argument certainly helps Putin. And Putin doesn’t deserve help.
Russian “opposition”
so russian “opposition” after the exchange:
* drop the sanctions, ordinary russians are struggling!
* we should respect russian sovereignty (the question about Creamia)
* putin’s successor could be worse
it needs no comments
Who cares!
We will beat Putin just as we will beat any successor that tries to mess with Europe.
And so could he be better for us. Like Gorbachev. What matters is the dictatorship is brought down
The prisoner that goes by the name bladimir Vutin
More dangerous, maybe, more easy to assassinate? who knows. With a tighter grib on power than Putin? Who knows.
So what’s the implication of this Russian “liberal”? That we should adopt [learned helplessness like the everyday Russian](https://granta.com/russia-verge-nervous-breakdown/) and just tell the Ukrainians to suck it up after yet another Russian air raid or zerg-rush?
Is this “liberal” insinuating that Someone Else™ (i.e. the West) has to do to the hard and dirty work (invasion and occupation of Russia?) to minimize the chance of Putin’s successor possibly being worse?
Far be it from Russians *themselves* doing their part to purge themselves of their perverse and centuries-old attraction to a societal comfort zone that involves reverence of a “President”, General Secretary, Czar, Czarina or Great Khan.
Zero days without so-called “good” russians spreading kremlin propaganda narratives😁
Worse for Russians you mean
Worse how, exactly?
He’s the epitome of sick KGB worldview. He’s giving 110% in Ukraine and still can’t win. Russian economy is in the toilet. Russian demographics are near unrecoverable. He threatens nukes every other week.
You don’t stay with an asshole because you’re afraid of meeting another asshole – you tell them it’s over, we’re breaking up with you, Vladimir, so put on your heels and ride shirtless out of town (to the hague).
we’ll deal with him when he comes, now we need to deal with Putin
It’s gonna be Yeltsin 2.0 followed by another Putin as is tradition by now…
Why is Russian politics always so G*d##m mysterious? Ukraine and Belarus are never quite as obtuse. Politics have always been as legible as any.
Who are even the major factions in Russia?
Nice post, Putin
Ultra nationalistic warlords and ultra corrupt warlords will be the problem, the black market for radioactive warheads and materials will be the real issue, more than pipelines and such.
wE sHoULd proTeCT puTiN!!! FoR our CHILDREN
But they wouldn’t have the clout to dictate as much.
If things get even worse, it will get very hard for the new guy.
So, if they wanna party, we will bring the beer and the NATO response force.
Putin’s successor could be just as bad – says rando living in a tree house. See? I can do this too.
Hard to imagine how it could get much worse.
I mean he already is attacking other countries. Tries to destabilize the west as much as possible, is killing opposition left and right and destroys anything democratic in russia.
What is worse? Dropping the nuke? Is that this old russian rhetoric again?
It’s almost like all released russian “””prisoners””” (btw look at Ukrainians after prisoner exchanges to see what actual russian prisoners look like) were putin’s plants that began spreading his narratives the moment they left the plane.
It’s just going to be the same shit. Russia isn’t an extension of Putin, rather Putin is what russia sees when it looks in the mirror. When putin croaks, it’ll still be russia looking in the mirror. Nothing will change. The silver lining, though, will be that when he is gone it’ll be one less person who wants us all dead. But we must remember that he is just one of them.
Worse for Russia certainly
Yup. I have always been against the idea that killing or a dying Putin would change anything. Russia is a criminal state that first has to fall (and then not just its president) before it can ever move on. Historically, it has always had criminal regimes – maybe with a few exceptions.
So our Western assumption that it will get better once Putin is gone is wishful thinking. Imo, the country first had to collapse to then be reorganized in such a way it will have no major power any more (cut it up maybe in independent states?), then at least we don’t have to worry about it any more.
The only way that will happen is if his successor is the kurgan lol.
Time in power confers legitimacy. Putin’s successor might be crazier than he is but he will also have to chose between purging the Russian ranks of those who’s loyalties aren’t certain which weakens the abilities of the Russian state. or leaving a lot of people in place who may be thinking “I should have been the one to succeed Putin”.
Putin should have spent all this time and money setting up the Russian state for success once he is gone, by reducing corruption and trying to move to a more democratic system, instead of one of bribes, corruption and fear. That could have been a very respectable legacy, instead he’s got an international warrant for his arrest and NK + Iran as his only allies.