Something really back handed took place here and we never got the full story.
Thurak0 on
I am confused why Mirage 2000s from France are not a problem, but the Gripen’s are?
Or are the Mirage jets also on ice atm?
But overall for Ukraine it is good that Sweden *wants* to give the aircraft. And it does not sound like a terrible idea to deliver one new plane, F-16s, first.
But I wonder why Sweden has problems getting a commitment to deliver Gripens at a later point. Sounds a lot like a potential win for everybody.
ConsistencyWelder on
Gripens means Meteor missiles. Goodbye SU34s and your glide bombs.
Also, Gripens have side-looking radars. Could be real useful for patrolling the borders and looking for incoming cruise missiles.
MonkeyNihilist on
Wouldn’t surprise me if Sweden is currently training Ukrainian pilots on the system for future donations. We had no idea that they were training a whole brigade in Sweden when it was announced that the CV 90’s and Strv 122 were being donated.
Remember, en svensk tiger!
_FrozenRobert_ on
I applaud Sweden for maintaining momentum on this issue but I agree with other posts: there must be more to the story, b/c this ongoing Swedish “offer” doesn’t make sense at first glance. It’s like the cool older brother insisting “please take the keys to my Porsche!” and the younger brother keeps turning it down.
From my armchair general’s analysis:
1. Ukraine needs as much help (in every possible way) right now. Zelensky has been saying “close the skies” since 2022. Why would Ukraine turn down a complimentary fighter jet system from a benefactor like Sweden? Don’t they have the support and capacity to train 2 streams of flight systems? Like seriously?
2. The trickle of outdated F-16’s to Ukraine is continuing just like every other “generous” donation of outdated armaments the West has given. So far, there’s been a lot of fuss made over the arrival of F-16’s. All ~~six~~ five of them. Yup, real game changer. Really closing the skies there, aren’t we?
So again, why is it so difficult to fast-track and maintain two separate aircraft designs? Many modern nations have fleets of various aircraft operating simultaneously.
3. I find it odd that Sweden would still come out publicly in late 2024 saying the Gripen offer is still open. This must be some kind of intentional signalling to different stakeholders. There must be some serious back-room handwringing going on between Washington and the EU. Somebody’s holding Ukraine back.
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Something really back handed took place here and we never got the full story.
I am confused why Mirage 2000s from France are not a problem, but the Gripen’s are?
Or are the Mirage jets also on ice atm?
But overall for Ukraine it is good that Sweden *wants* to give the aircraft. And it does not sound like a terrible idea to deliver one new plane, F-16s, first.
But I wonder why Sweden has problems getting a commitment to deliver Gripens at a later point. Sounds a lot like a potential win for everybody.
Gripens means Meteor missiles. Goodbye SU34s and your glide bombs.
Also, Gripens have side-looking radars. Could be real useful for patrolling the borders and looking for incoming cruise missiles.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Sweden is currently training Ukrainian pilots on the system for future donations. We had no idea that they were training a whole brigade in Sweden when it was announced that the CV 90’s and Strv 122 were being donated.
Remember, en svensk tiger!
I applaud Sweden for maintaining momentum on this issue but I agree with other posts: there must be more to the story, b/c this ongoing Swedish “offer” doesn’t make sense at first glance. It’s like the cool older brother insisting “please take the keys to my Porsche!” and the younger brother keeps turning it down.
From my armchair general’s analysis:
1. Ukraine needs as much help (in every possible way) right now. Zelensky has been saying “close the skies” since 2022. Why would Ukraine turn down a complimentary fighter jet system from a benefactor like Sweden? Don’t they have the support and capacity to train 2 streams of flight systems? Like seriously?
2. The trickle of outdated F-16’s to Ukraine is continuing just like every other “generous” donation of outdated armaments the West has given. So far, there’s been a lot of fuss made over the arrival of F-16’s. All ~~six~~ five of them. Yup, real game changer. Really closing the skies there, aren’t we?
So again, why is it so difficult to fast-track and maintain two separate aircraft designs? Many modern nations have fleets of various aircraft operating simultaneously.
3. I find it odd that Sweden would still come out publicly in late 2024 saying the Gripen offer is still open. This must be some kind of intentional signalling to different stakeholders. There must be some serious back-room handwringing going on between Washington and the EU. Somebody’s holding Ukraine back.
I just don’t get it.