I paesi dell’Unione Europea sostengono le aspirazioni della Georgia e dell’Armenia ad aderire all’UE? Percepiscono l’Armenia e la Georgia come paesi europei?
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I paesi dell’Unione Europea sostengono le aspirazioni della Georgia e dell’Armenia ad aderire all’UE? Percepiscono l’Armenia e la Georgia come paesi europei?
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where is that first pic from
No
No. Friendly relations yes, EU NO
Telling it as Estonian – YES
For me yes, without any hesitation.
Not with their relationships with Russia (talking about Georgia). We don’t need another Troyan horse. We have Hungary, Austria and Slovakia already
Georgia if they get rid of their current government yes.
Armenia is a bit harder to answer – from one side it makes just as much sense as Georgia, but on the other hand, the country and the people feel much more eastern and less “european” even if they are extra friendly with France
For me eventually, but I think we need to slow it down and wait for alignment with EU values. I also think there should be a way to expel a country before we expand further. We have seen with Hungary for example democratic backsliding that is inconsistent with EU membership and there should be a way to remove a country who clearly no longer wants to be a member based on their actions.
Yes. I don’t know about the perception of “European countries”. I personally rather see them as Caucasian countries- caught somewhere between “the clash of the titans”. Very unfortunate geographical position with very bad neighbors 🥺🥺
I don’t really see them as European, more like bordering states that are not too different from the rest of Europe to join, so they could imo. But I’m not informed enough how they are doing economically and stuff like corruption, freedom of speech etc.
No thanks. current government is horrible and a russian lapdog.
The clock tower seems kinda… off?
I don’t think they’re ready to join yet. But they should surely be considered Europe. I don’t see why Georgia especially should be considered anything other than Europe
This gives off a troll farm vibes.
For anyone that doesn’t know, pro kremlin forces try to make us Georgians and Armenians feel like “Europeans don’t even like you” to create sense of disappointment and defeat so they can later introduce the idea of “see Europe don’t want you so you should side with Russia”. It works on many people.
The idea is not about if we’ll join EU or not, it’s about do we want to have western values or be a puppet to a bully.
Also average redditor doesn’t understand the significance of us joining EU and how useful we could be to EU.
From a Georgian perspective it looks like this:
After we left Soviet Union and started building our country, while we were learning how to walk pro Russian forces did their best to convince us “you won’t be able to run” so it creates nihilism that Putin loves since he can take advantage of that.
Regardless of if we will join EU or not, we will work towards becoming western society with western values since that’s where we feel like home the most
Every decent human being in the world deserves to be as far away from Russian influence as possible.
Long term optimistic yes, short term absolutely no. Given the current geopolitics in this region these two are liabilities. First I would first like to see the EU install more safeguards to protect the union from sabotage by compromised members.
You will probably get as many opinions as there are Europeans.
Of course, since the Caucasus is literally in the borderlands between Europe and Asia, there’s no black or white answer.
The question is more if the European Union should be a union purely based on geography, or if it should take in members from outside the geographical area most people would consider Europe. I personally wouldn’t mind the EU taking in non-European (in a geographical context) members, as long as they uphold the EU standards for human rights, gender equality, etc.
But only after implementing ways to prevent subversion from within by members that move away from those ideals, as of course Hungary has exposed the weaknesses in the current setup.
Our histories are connected but our people are not. Just based on logistics alone, the EU would need a rock solid relationship with Turkey OR Russia before they could include Georgia and Armenia.
It’s a trade union first and foremost, no point being in it if your neighbours can stop the flow of trade.
I do consider them European and I do eventually want them to join the EU, but I also want them to fully commit to the values they have to uphold once they join and don’t want the EU to rush things. Of course I also hold the opinion that we should properly aid them on their way, both finanically and politically.
EU is going through enlargement fatigue. I believe it is simply impossible to continue expanding the union with V
veto rights continuing to exist.
If anyone thinks you can infinitely expand and maintain a balance with the veto vote, you’re stupid.
It has served it’s initial purpose and we are not Americans that have the same amendments for hundreds of years, we need to update and abolish this, then we can talk about expansion.
No it is not and I don’t think that everyone should join the EU.
Yes, but not with pro-Russian governments. Many Lithuanians feel disappointed with Georgia that turned to be pro-Russian after decades of us unconditionally supporting it.
Close relations yes, but I don’t see these countries as European.
Not me.
Haven’t we got enough barely democratic countries who sabotage decisions whenever possible? Before anybody else is admitted the EU has to reform its decision making process
Georgia and Armenia are asian countries, why would they join _European_ union?
Absolutely not, we should stop calling any random country “European”