Oggi sul portale web di RTV regna sovrano il sensazionalismo indirizzo “Più di 100.000 soldati accusati di diserzione in Ucraina dal 2022” . Nell’articolo RTV afferma che si tratta di dati della Procura generale ucraina.
È una bugia:
Se guardiamo perche secondo loro (solo una o due ricerche su Google) è il numero reale di casi di diserzione ricevuti dall’accusa pari a 29521. Ci sono state 441 condanne effettive.
Perché i nostri media pubblici possono mentire e fuorviare così apertamente? Perché gli editori lo consentono?
Modifica: questo post ha generato un discreto numero di bot che hanno inondato i commenti con risposte predefinite e disinformazione. Il fatto è che RTV nella prima frase dell’introduzione fa riferimento alla fonte primaria, che nell’UP viene presentata con tutte le informazioni come risposta diretta dell’accusa. Dalle loro risposte è evidente che non hanno nemmeno preso in considerazione la questione.
Kako lahko na RTV brez sramote objavljajo laži oz. zavajanja?
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Naročnina se bo zvišala, saj si ti ljudje zaslužijo povišico. Zdaj pa plačaj, tovariš.
Že lep čas ne berem greznice imenovane RTV. Domnevam, da je avtor članka insta-popotnica K.S. ali ljubitelj glavorezcev B.V.?
“V Ukrajini od leta 2022 dezerterstva **obtoženih** več kot 100.000 vojakov”
V naslovu lažejo da gre za obsodbe. Dejanski vir jasno pove, da je bilo obsodb 441.
vidim da ma OP prihodnost na rtv-ju glede na zavajanje
Mogoce ni slo vse do sodisca… ukrajinski viri so pa vprasljive kvalitete, ker morajo zganjat propagando.
recimo https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39622
> According to the Office of the Prosecutor General, more than 60,000 criminal cases have been initiated for unauthorized abandonment of a unit or desertion since 2022, with nearly half of the cases occurring this year.
Toliko je bili criminal caseov, koliko jih ni bilo prijavljenih je vprasanje
Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/news/desertion-threatens-starve-ukraines-forces-052438561.html?guccounter=1
> It’s a staggeringly high number by any measure, as there were an estimated 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers engaged in combat before the mobilization drive began. And the actual number of deserters may be much higher. **One lawmaker with knowledge of military matters estimated it could be as high as 200,000.**
Aljazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/21/why-is-ukraines-army-facing-a-desertion-crisis
> According to the Kyiv Post, it is believed that about 60,000 people have been facing criminal charges for fleeing their posts since the war started. The Ukrainian daily cited documents from the prosecutor general, with almost half of those cases initiated this year.
> However, British daily The Times also cited figures from the prosecutor general which, it said, showed some 51,000 criminal cases were initiated for desertion and abandonment of a military unit between January and September of this year. El Pais newspaper cited a closer figure of 45,543 desertions between January and August this year, which it said was data from the Prosecutor General’s Office which had been leaked to the Ukrainian press.
abc: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/desertion-threatens-starve-ukraines-forces-crucial-time-war-116314096
> **More than 100,000 soldiers** have been charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws since Russia invaded in February 2022, according to the country’s General Prosecutor’s Office.
newsweek:
> https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-desertion-russia-war-1993760
> **Over 100,000 soldiers have been charged for desertion since February 2022**, The Associated Press reported late last month, citing Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s office. Newsweek has reached out to the Ukrainian military for comment via email.
Euronews: https://www.euronews.com/2024/11/30/tens-of-thousands-of-soldiers-have-deserted-from-ukraines-army
> **More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws** since Russia invaded in 2022, according to the country’s General Prosecutor.
Ce menis da lazejo, pisi na EU, ker baje pri nas cenzuriramo medije, ki lazejo.
Zato ker ni posledic
Sej folk bezi iz Ukrajine…
Pa lovijo jih po ulicah in prisilno na fronto…
Ukrajina je in deep s..t :/
**Kot ponavadi, spet zavaja kar OP s podtikanjem svojega vira, ki v RTV članku ni nikjer omenjen.** Članek na RTV namreč povzema članek AP. Dejansko število dezerterjev je celo večje, ker vseh dezerterjev sploh ne prijavljajo več.
Glede na to, da po mestih prisilno lovijo ljudi, to sploh ni presenetljivo. Prav zaradi tega se jim sesuva fronta v Donbasu.
*Eden od častnikov, ki je želel ostati anonimen, je za Associated Press dejal, da je bilo prav dezerterstvo eden glavnih razlogov za oktobrsko izgubo Vugledarja.*
[https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0](https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0)
***More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws*** [***since Russia invaded***](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-1000-days-ade5a60cf2345d694871f85df162d08a) ***in February 2022, according to the country’s General Prosecutor’s Office.***
*Nearly half have gone AWOL in the last year alone, after Kyiv launched an* [*aggressive and controversial mobilization drive*](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-conscription-law-a8ccc48e6c15276c5b5035288ed016ee) *that government officials and military commanders concede has largely failed.*
*It’s a staggeringly high number by any measure, as there were an estimated 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers engaged in combat before the mobilization drive began. And the actual number of deserters may be much higher. One lawmaker with knowledge of military matters estimated it could be as high as 200,000.*
TL/DR: u/66348923675346899756 laže in blati ime nacionalke v imenu SDS.
Politiki gredo vedno nad medije. Vedno. Večji kot je medij, bolj ga obmetavajo z blatom. In se človek vpraša, zakaj? Zakaj bi bilo treba diskreditirat medij? Seveda je odgovor na dlani, zato ker je Janša (ponovno) pred sodiščem in ker mediji brskajo po njegovem ozadju, zato se diskreditira.
Kot prvič, RTV ne laže. RTV poroča informacije, za kar se zanaša na mnoge vire. RTV nima poročevalcev v Ukrajini, zato se zanašajo na agencije.
V tem primeru [AP poroča](https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0):
> More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws since Russia invaded in February 2022, according to the country’s General Prosecutor’s Office.
RTV je prejel informacijo prek STA, ki jo je prejel od AP, ki so dejansko opravili novinarsko delo (in navedli vir).
Potem pa gre tale pezde u/66348923675346899756 poiskat nek naključen članek, ki navaja drugačne podatke in trdi, da je to vir informacij. Ta uporabnik LAŽE (kar je priljubljeno orožje političnih operativcev) o viru informacij.
In potem laže dodatno, da RTV trdi, da gre za obsodbe. Čeprav je jasno navedeno, da je bilo dezerterstva OBTOŽENIH (charged) ne OBSOJENIH (convicted) ukrajincev.
Zakaj lahko nek pezde na spletu tako odkrito laže in zavaja? Zakaj modi to dopuščajo?
Ker ni posledic in je cilj dosežen. Mesec star račun širi deziformacije dokler ga ne udari kladivo pravice. A nič ne de, novih računov nikoli ne zmanjka.
Pa info za mode: [pezde](https://fran.si/133/sskj2-slovar-slovenskega-knjiznega-jezika-2/4509918/pezde?View=1&Query=pezde) je legitimna slovenska sopomenka za bojazljivega človeka in ni žaljivka. Vedno si zapomnimo človeka in nikoli ne bi o nikomer rekel nič slabega. To je tukaj zato, ker vem, da se bo pezde pritožil.
Rtvmmc je totalna sramota za Slovenijo, tole bi moralo iti v vse medije, da se glasno govori o mediju, ki je plačan s strani ruSSkih morilcev pa še mi ga MORAMO plačevati kot državljani
Zato pa RTV pada gledanost ker objavljajo laži. Jih je vlada pozvala, da objavijo gledanost, pa je nočejo.
Ah ja RTV Al Jazeera Slovenija, greznica novinarstva
Obtožen ≠ obsojen 🤦♂️