Biggest blunder in history. Many thought the world would be a better place after the collapses of the ussr, but turns out evil lurks in the shadows ready to pounce on the vulnerable! The lesson: have nukes, get nukes, be in alliance with someone who has nukes!
carastas on
My understanding was that because they were controlled by russians in a military base which they were supposed to attack to take posesion and they were well paid for it by the US. I understand that they knew back then that the security guarantees were useless… Is this wrong? Also, I understand it would be hard for Ukraine to get weapon grade nuclear material, because they don’t have the centrifuges and they import their civilian uranium from Canada… Am I wrong?
ZzangmanCometh on
In fact. Get them back.
seno2k on
Biden should give them a bunch of nukes Jan. 5th.
Infrared_Herring on
Great job USA, promised them security then forgot to show up.
ProfessorB83 on
I’m sorry on the USA’s behalf. Our new politicians don’t remember old deals. We are better than this
Rotaxxx on
Am I not wrong when I say this but, Ukraine had signed treaties with Russia and also the USA stating if they gave up their nukes, either countries would provide arms to help defend itself against aggressors?
Wear-Simple on
Ukraina in 1991 had Zero absolutely Zero economy to handle this equipment. It would have rusted and become more dangerous for Ukrain then for any foreign nation.
We all want Ukrain to win but stop link this shit
Comrade_Corbyn123 on
Another day, another misunderstanding of the actual situation behind the Budapest Memorandum.
They were not Ukraine’s nukes. Ukraine itself did not own nukes. They were Soviet nukes, owned by the Soviets, guarded by the Soviets, and controlled by the Soviets. In the same way that we say the nukes in Belarus are Russian, the nukes in Ukraine were Soviet.
There was no real means for the Ukrainians to control these nukes. In addition, they were economically broke and the Memorandum had a lot of financial incentive behind it. Not to mention, Ukraine has never been a bastion of liberal democracy. There’s a lot of cronyism and corruption, which are not things you want around your nukes. Literally everyone agreed it was better for the slightly-more-stable newly-formed Russian Federation to have their own weapons back.
I get that it’s a useful talking point now to go “well we should have let them keep their nukes”, but that was never the situation. It’s a lazy argument.
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Biggest blunder in history. Many thought the world would be a better place after the collapses of the ussr, but turns out evil lurks in the shadows ready to pounce on the vulnerable! The lesson: have nukes, get nukes, be in alliance with someone who has nukes!
My understanding was that because they were controlled by russians in a military base which they were supposed to attack to take posesion and they were well paid for it by the US. I understand that they knew back then that the security guarantees were useless… Is this wrong? Also, I understand it would be hard for Ukraine to get weapon grade nuclear material, because they don’t have the centrifuges and they import their civilian uranium from Canada… Am I wrong?
In fact. Get them back.
Biden should give them a bunch of nukes Jan. 5th.
Great job USA, promised them security then forgot to show up.
I’m sorry on the USA’s behalf. Our new politicians don’t remember old deals. We are better than this
Am I not wrong when I say this but, Ukraine had signed treaties with Russia and also the USA stating if they gave up their nukes, either countries would provide arms to help defend itself against aggressors?
Ukraina in 1991 had Zero absolutely Zero economy to handle this equipment. It would have rusted and become more dangerous for Ukrain then for any foreign nation.
We all want Ukrain to win but stop link this shit
Another day, another misunderstanding of the actual situation behind the Budapest Memorandum.
They were not Ukraine’s nukes. Ukraine itself did not own nukes. They were Soviet nukes, owned by the Soviets, guarded by the Soviets, and controlled by the Soviets. In the same way that we say the nukes in Belarus are Russian, the nukes in Ukraine were Soviet.
There was no real means for the Ukrainians to control these nukes. In addition, they were economically broke and the Memorandum had a lot of financial incentive behind it. Not to mention, Ukraine has never been a bastion of liberal democracy. There’s a lot of cronyism and corruption, which are not things you want around your nukes. Literally everyone agreed it was better for the slightly-more-stable newly-formed Russian Federation to have their own weapons back.
I get that it’s a useful talking point now to go “well we should have let them keep their nukes”, but that was never the situation. It’s a lazy argument.