Prima/Dopo – Portogallo e Italia sono ora a favore di ChatControl; La Finlandia ora si oppone. Ricorda: i politici sono esenti da questa sorveglianza. Invia ORA un’e-mail ai tuoi eurodeputati!
Prima/Dopo – Portogallo e Italia sono ora a favore di ChatControl; La Finlandia ora si oppone. Ricorda: i politici sono esenti da questa sorveglianza. Invia ORA un’e-mail ai tuoi eurodeputati!
Scandinavia and the Baltics lowkey disappoint me, ngl.
DuaLipaMePippa on
I want to propose implementing ChatControl exclusively for politicians.
Ok-Pineapple2365 on
Everywhere we have the right wings as government..so its natural!
The Greek Government hired the Predator to tap into the Chief of the Greek Army…various judges and the opposition leaders.
xGrimmx99 on
Central Europe solidarity 😀
teodorfon on
I feel always out of the loop
NoMaintenance3794 on
global surveillance is growing even more hooray
Aranthos-Faroth on
Something feels so inherently wrong about this not being put to citizens to vote…
Testosteron123 on
SPD in Germany is in favor and wants to do it quickly with CDU
Belgium opposing is a long strech, child focus wants it and are lobbying for it and the minister of internal affairs is also for it. While they reasson for it may seem nobel the law itself is potentially so damegfull to any form of free speech. There is a reasson they need to judges to invade someones privacy so lets keep it that way. Lets for example my friend gets a picture of his son without a tshirt on. Nothing wrong with that, but that gives them a cause to scan all his messages including the one whe sent to each other. So not only his privacy gets invade but also mine and al the rest he texted with.
thisis_not_throwaway on
Of course the leeches of the society, the accountable for this shit-state of world affairs and decrepit situation of EU would be exempt from surveillance. Fuck em, I despise this nowadays class.
orzelski on
More-To-Control-Era is coming. It’s natural, relax. It’s temporary, relax.
nitzpon on
To all commenting, that they have nothing to hide:
Friend of mine was deported with 5 year ban of entry to shengen, because he was suspected to message a person, who has a friend on Facebook who was suspected of being involved with Muslim radicals (in a different country). Like 3rd degree connection.
Are you sure you never talked with a person who has Muslim friend?
Edit for clarity: the entire story was more convoluted. The connection was official reason for the deportation.
blackie-arts on
how is central europe the rational one here but western europe and scandinavia isn’t
thelodzermensch on
Welcome to Central Europe Finland
Evidencebasedbro on
Umbelievable and truly Orwellian. As we saw today, democracy in Europe needs apparently to be managed and prevented from running freely.
thefatcrocodile on
What is chat control?
TemOFIE on
Welcome. Welcome to City 17.
You have chosen, or been chosen, to relocate to one of our finest urban centers. I thought so much of City 17 that I elected to establish my Administration here, in the European Parliament so thoughtfully provided by Our Benefactors. I have been proud to call City 17 my home. And so, whether you are here to stay, or passing through on your way to parts unknown, welcome to City 17. It’s safer here.
Gh0sth4nd on
Wouldn’t that violate parts of the original eu charter?
If this goes through it will definitely end up in court.
ieniet on
I’ve read some rumors about the Polish government dropping opposition. I’m glad it was just rumors.
Gh0sth4nd on
why is the [chatcontrol.eu](http://chatcontrol.eu) website not at least encrypted with https
seems weird and stupid for a topic like this
eraser3000 on
I invite everyone who thinks “I have nothing against my chat being read” to read more about the proposed chat control proposal https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
In short, we’re not talking about reading your chats, we’re talking about not having secure communication anymore for private citizens except for politicians and police forces, which alone would make me suspicious as fuck, no way our watchdogs don’t need to be watched. But it’s not only that. Csam detection algorithms are very imprecise with a lot of fake positive, this would mean that a lot of resources would have to be employed by police to actually manually check every photo before proceeding, and with the scale of European communications we don’t even know how we would manage that scale of data.
Last but not least, you can make a technology such as end to end encryption illegal, but you can’t make it unavailable. Imagine making PI or euler’s number illegal. We’re talking about this. Effectively, nothing would prevent people from migrating or creating other different products to manage shady business with.
In the last months telegram became quite famous for the amount of illegal activities that take place there, and I agree that no moderation at all on big chat applications that allow to interact with unknown people in an indiscriminate way might facilitate some illegal activities, and I do not have a solution for that. But in my opinion, this proposal is not the right way to do it, and it would mean additional cost for something that malicious people would find a workaround in no time (be it legal or illegal, they wouldn’t care)
betterbetbestbet on
Nexit!! 🥳 Let’s GO!
mmadaus on
We are fucking stupid people
kaeptnkrunch_1337 on
This is the biggest bullshit there is. As if what Edward Snowden said had been used as a template for further wiretapping
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Scandinavia and the Baltics lowkey disappoint me, ngl.
I want to propose implementing ChatControl exclusively for politicians.
Everywhere we have the right wings as government..so its natural!
The Greek Government hired the Predator to tap into the Chief of the Greek Army…various judges and the opposition leaders.
Central Europe solidarity 😀
I feel always out of the loop
global surveillance is growing even more hooray
Something feels so inherently wrong about this not being put to citizens to vote…
SPD in Germany is in favor and wants to do it quickly with CDU
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/vorratsdatenspeicherung-180.html
Ah another great shit from Europe. Thank EU
Belgium opposing is a long strech, child focus wants it and are lobbying for it and the minister of internal affairs is also for it. While they reasson for it may seem nobel the law itself is potentially so damegfull to any form of free speech. There is a reasson they need to judges to invade someones privacy so lets keep it that way. Lets for example my friend gets a picture of his son without a tshirt on. Nothing wrong with that, but that gives them a cause to scan all his messages including the one whe sent to each other. So not only his privacy gets invade but also mine and al the rest he texted with.
Of course the leeches of the society, the accountable for this shit-state of world affairs and decrepit situation of EU would be exempt from surveillance. Fuck em, I despise this nowadays class.
More-To-Control-Era is coming. It’s natural, relax. It’s temporary, relax.
To all commenting, that they have nothing to hide:
Friend of mine was deported with 5 year ban of entry to shengen, because he was suspected to message a person, who has a friend on Facebook who was suspected of being involved with Muslim radicals (in a different country). Like 3rd degree connection.
Are you sure you never talked with a person who has Muslim friend?
Edit for clarity: the entire story was more convoluted. The connection was official reason for the deportation.
how is central europe the rational one here but western europe and scandinavia isn’t
Welcome to Central Europe Finland
Umbelievable and truly Orwellian. As we saw today, democracy in Europe needs apparently to be managed and prevented from running freely.
What is chat control?
Welcome. Welcome to City 17.
You have chosen, or been chosen, to relocate to one of our finest urban centers. I thought so much of City 17 that I elected to establish my Administration here, in the European Parliament so thoughtfully provided by Our Benefactors. I have been proud to call City 17 my home. And so, whether you are here to stay, or passing through on your way to parts unknown, welcome to City 17. It’s safer here.
Wouldn’t that violate parts of the original eu charter?
If this goes through it will definitely end up in court.
I’ve read some rumors about the Polish government dropping opposition. I’m glad it was just rumors.
why is the [chatcontrol.eu](http://chatcontrol.eu) website not at least encrypted with https
seems weird and stupid for a topic like this
I invite everyone who thinks “I have nothing against my chat being read” to read more about the proposed chat control proposal https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
In short, we’re not talking about reading your chats, we’re talking about not having secure communication anymore for private citizens except for politicians and police forces, which alone would make me suspicious as fuck, no way our watchdogs don’t need to be watched. But it’s not only that. Csam detection algorithms are very imprecise with a lot of fake positive, this would mean that a lot of resources would have to be employed by police to actually manually check every photo before proceeding, and with the scale of European communications we don’t even know how we would manage that scale of data.
Last but not least, you can make a technology such as end to end encryption illegal, but you can’t make it unavailable. Imagine making PI or euler’s number illegal. We’re talking about this. Effectively, nothing would prevent people from migrating or creating other different products to manage shady business with.
In the last months telegram became quite famous for the amount of illegal activities that take place there, and I agree that no moderation at all on big chat applications that allow to interact with unknown people in an indiscriminate way might facilitate some illegal activities, and I do not have a solution for that. But in my opinion, this proposal is not the right way to do it, and it would mean additional cost for something that malicious people would find a workaround in no time (be it legal or illegal, they wouldn’t care)
Nexit!! 🥳 Let’s GO!
We are fucking stupid people
This is the biggest bullshit there is. As if what Edward Snowden said had been used as a template for further wiretapping