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    1. hondabois on

      With the taxes, benefits, accommodations, soup kitchens, and community outreach NGOs, probably none

    2. Zipzapzipzapzipzap on

      The entire homeless population, everyone who dies on a hospital waiting list and the majority of suicide.

    3. Natural-Ad773 on

      I think you were looking for r/SouthAfrica not sure though.

    4. johnfuckingtravolta on

      It doesn’t apply at all. I fucking hate our current system. Genuinely. And on a macro scale, not just Ireland. Its all skewed from what true social values should be, in my opinion, and greed and narcissistic values are really being promoted and celebrated, in a way. But its not “social murder”.

      Things arent great. Things arent apocalyptic either though, and eventually, things will succumb to the relentless march of time and things will change. And then change again. Realism is needed, not dramaticism.

    5. mother_a_god on

      Ireland doesn’t have social murder on the poor in the sense of depriving, we give a lot to people, including accomodation where despite a high number without a house of their own, most do have a roof and somewhere to go….

      The actual social murder I see is the not trackling of anti social behaviour, which degrades qualify of life in poor areas and makes the next generation grow up even more thuggish. For a country with a lot of resources, we don’t apply them effectively to solve these issues, just let them get worse and devolve

    6. TheStoicNihilist on

      > Friedrich Engels condemned prostitution but enjoyed it himself; called for equality but dismissed female suffrage.

      > “If I had an income of 5000 francs I would do nothing but work and amuse myself with women until I went to pieces. If there were no Frenchwomen, life wouldn’t be worth living. But so long as there are grisettes [prostitutes], well and good!”

      Sounds like a bit of a bollix.

      https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/29/friedrich-engels-prostitution-suffrage

    7. emleigh2277 on

      You need to post this in all the posts about the UHC CEO.

    8. SpottedAlpaca on

      That would be very difficult to quantify and it heavily depends on how you define several terms:

      – ‘political and social elite’: Who exactly fits into this category?

      – ‘knowingly permit’: At what point do these elites knowingly permit this to happen? To what degree are they expected to attempt to prevent it from happening before being considered to have knowingly permitted it?

      – ‘poorest and most vulnerable’: What income/wealth level is considered to be poorest? When is someone considered one of the most vulnerable members of society?

      – ‘a position in which they cannot reasonably be expected to live’: When does it become unreasonable to expect someone to live? Where is the line drawn on living conditions? People can survive as long as basic physiological requirements such as food and water are met, and nobody dies from starvation in Ireland – is that sufficient to reasonably expect them to live?

      – ‘early and unnatural death’: How young is considered early? It could be argued that people living longer due to improvements in medicine is unnatural.

    9. No_Performance_6289 on

      You’d swear Ireland was a 19th century oligarchy with this post.

      Like we are not sending children to the mines.

    10. clock_door on

      Calm down man, above average house price and you’re calling it “social murder” we have one of the highest minimum wages and the highest welfare. Unbelievable employment rates and an amazing quality of life for near everyone (Reddit would have ya think the whole of Ireland is miserable). The poorest and most vulnerable (homeless, refugees, single parent etc) in Ireland are treated better than they would be in almost any other country in the world.

      Remove the victim complex

    11. Ireland has the highest rate of social transfers of any country in Europe.

      Free healthcare (that isn’t as bad as everyone likes to say it is if you actually have seen what healthcare is like around the world), good social security nets, a fair democracy with good representation.

      Ireland is simply not the country people love to say it is

    12. HighDeltaVee on

      [Top 10% of life expectancy in Europe](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20231106-1)

      [6th best healthy life years in the EU](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthy_life_years_statistics)

      [Highest reported level of good health in the EU, with preventable mortality rates 20% lower than EU average](https://eurohealthobservatory.who.int/publications/m/ireland-country-health-profile-2023)

      [9th lowest Gini coefficient of income inequality in Europe](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_income_distribution_and_income_inequality)

      [12th out of 28 in Europe for risk of poverty, better than the average.](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240612-1)

      [Third safest country in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world)

      So, for a country hell-bent on excluding and stealth-murdering our own citizens, we’re doing a shockingly bad job of it.

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