Are you all that blind that you don’t see the correlation between covid lockdowns and their “success”????
Perfect-Actuator6401 on
The poor bastards with broken skulls from a single sudden braking who made the mistake of buying one.
SleepingIsMyHobbyy on
Imagine buying a chinese car and the first thing you hear when you start the car is “ze blutuf devais iz reazy tu payr”.
cool-sheep on
Unsurprisingly the other names on that list, chiefly Germany and Japan!
Don’t underestimate the effects on countries that make a lot of terrible cars for domestic consumption like France and Italy.
p0d0s on
“Glas half full” case
China shoot up , but situation not that bad for the rest..
PulpeFiction on
Protectionism doesn’t work apparently for this sub doxa only.
DocumentNo3571 on
Germany and Japan probably.
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Shot_Pianist_8242 on
That’s easy. Due to sanctions, they are main exporter to Russia.
Brazil or Mexico just want cheap cars and those Chinese cars are cheap.
In those countries safety of the car or quality is less important. Simple as that.
RevolutionaryRush717 on
It says right there on the chart:
Japan, Germany and Korea
(Judah Friedlander; just say Korea; if you’re here and from Korea, we know you’re from South Korea)
GrimurYllir on
Tariffs, China will only have their own market.
IrishLad__ on
Those BYD vehicles are everywhere, came out of nowhere with no obvious advertising campaigns
Romandinjo on
Yes, when state steps up and heavily supsidises every link in supply chain, and pays for a lot of expenses like hiring talent – resulting product is cheap. Cheap labor and, afaik, poor labor protection laws, also come in play.
mrobot_ on
Man, ze Germanz really did a 120% job… they handed them the entire car industry hand-over-fist, what China hasnt already stolen thru espionage they got handed for free AND got to buy KuKa on top of everything. Now Volkswagen couldnt sell one of their shitboxes to save their lives in China anymore
suiluhthrown78 on
Seems to be part of a grand framework that has worked out well for them
Spend decades securing access to critical minerals at home and abroad, expensive investments upfront and were roundly criticised till now but should work out in the long run, alternative is shunning extraction at home and relying on all kinds of countries abroad, who would do something so silly i wonder…
Give a blank check to all kinds of industries notably battery and car manufacturing and stay on top of it
~~Work hard and see how the results pan out over the next few years~~ spit out your drink in excitement as your competitors impose heavy targets and penalties on their own industries that just so happen to give you a massive advantage without even having to ask, spy or kill for.
Appropriate-Mood-69 on
‘But, but, but… consumers don’t want electric cars’ ‘See, consumers want PHEVs’ ‘Consumers want highly specced cars’ ‘The combustion engine is not dead’ ‘Here, buy our hydrogen car’ ‘Synthetic fuels are the future’.
That’s a recap of some of the reasoning I’ve heard over the past 10 years coming out of the Western car manufacturers for not producing affordable fully electric cars. So, is it wrong of me to feel a little bit of schadenfreude?
DrVeget on
I’ve been in these cars. I’m not concerned about the numbers, I’m concerned that other car manufacturers are going to drop their standards
Oh, and the most important part: the cars are not adapted to cold weather and can just refuse to start or literally fall apart panel by panel when used in cold weather for a long time
PckMan on
Europe. All major European brands have either moved their manufacturing to China or they’re being pushed out of the market by those who have, including domestic Chinese brands. Your average consumer cannot really tell the difference in quality between a good and bad car, they just want something that lasts 5-7 years and then they’re off to the next one.
YougoReddits on
they “exported” them alright. there’s thousands and thousands flooding parking lot buffers just outside Belgian harbours because there aren’t actually buyers yet.
sure other car brands do that too, preemptively sending more cars, create stock to anticipate upcoming increase in demand (as oppose to say waiting well over a year for your preordered Tesla to be shipped.) but not at this scale. they’re crashing the market with wave after wave of underpriced models. and it’s working. EU and European car brands are stuttering and sputtering, playing catch-up
BiomeDepend27L on
China plastic.
Dense_Application221 on
Covid originates from China and right around that time they see this growth, hmmm
draenei_butt_enjoyer on
Germany
AgreeableFreedom6203 on
China really boosted their exports during covid. They kept themselves busy.
DuaLipaMePippa on
How should I know? Based on this graph, I can only see that Germany and Japan are slowly recovering, while Korea has been stagnating over the last year. It also depends on which market China is targeting: Russia or other lower-cost markets, and in which segments they can rival German and Japanese cars—economic, luxury, or SUVs.
We also don’t see the profits they are making or their business model. As of now, I see only a tiny portion of Chinese cars on the streets (if any), compared to a lot of European and Japanese/Korean cars. Can they match the quality and reliability of established brands? There are too many questions to answer at this point.
Gebirges on
Germany will have to adapt fast after being so shit with VW not investing into Electric Cars because they are lobbyest jackasses for oil.
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Are you all that blind that you don’t see the correlation between covid lockdowns and their “success”????
The poor bastards with broken skulls from a single sudden braking who made the mistake of buying one.
Imagine buying a chinese car and the first thing you hear when you start the car is “ze blutuf devais iz reazy tu payr”.
Unsurprisingly the other names on that list, chiefly Germany and Japan!
Don’t underestimate the effects on countries that make a lot of terrible cars for domestic consumption like France and Italy.
“Glas half full” case
China shoot up , but situation not that bad for the rest..
Protectionism doesn’t work apparently for this sub doxa only.
Germany and Japan probably.
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That’s easy. Due to sanctions, they are main exporter to Russia.
Brazil or Mexico just want cheap cars and those Chinese cars are cheap.
In those countries safety of the car or quality is less important. Simple as that.
It says right there on the chart:
Japan, Germany and Korea
(Judah Friedlander; just say Korea; if you’re here and from Korea, we know you’re from South Korea)
Tariffs, China will only have their own market.
Those BYD vehicles are everywhere, came out of nowhere with no obvious advertising campaigns
Yes, when state steps up and heavily supsidises every link in supply chain, and pays for a lot of expenses like hiring talent – resulting product is cheap. Cheap labor and, afaik, poor labor protection laws, also come in play.
Man, ze Germanz really did a 120% job… they handed them the entire car industry hand-over-fist, what China hasnt already stolen thru espionage they got handed for free AND got to buy KuKa on top of everything. Now Volkswagen couldnt sell one of their shitboxes to save their lives in China anymore
Seems to be part of a grand framework that has worked out well for them
Spend decades securing access to critical minerals at home and abroad, expensive investments upfront and were roundly criticised till now but should work out in the long run, alternative is shunning extraction at home and relying on all kinds of countries abroad, who would do something so silly i wonder…
Give a blank check to all kinds of industries notably battery and car manufacturing and stay on top of it
~~Work hard and see how the results pan out over the next few years~~ spit out your drink in excitement as your competitors impose heavy targets and penalties on their own industries that just so happen to give you a massive advantage without even having to ask, spy or kill for.
‘But, but, but… consumers don’t want electric cars’ ‘See, consumers want PHEVs’ ‘Consumers want highly specced cars’ ‘The combustion engine is not dead’ ‘Here, buy our hydrogen car’ ‘Synthetic fuels are the future’.
That’s a recap of some of the reasoning I’ve heard over the past 10 years coming out of the Western car manufacturers for not producing affordable fully electric cars. So, is it wrong of me to feel a little bit of schadenfreude?
I’ve been in these cars. I’m not concerned about the numbers, I’m concerned that other car manufacturers are going to drop their standards
Oh, and the most important part: the cars are not adapted to cold weather and can just refuse to start or literally fall apart panel by panel when used in cold weather for a long time
Europe. All major European brands have either moved their manufacturing to China or they’re being pushed out of the market by those who have, including domestic Chinese brands. Your average consumer cannot really tell the difference in quality between a good and bad car, they just want something that lasts 5-7 years and then they’re off to the next one.
they “exported” them alright. there’s thousands and thousands flooding parking lot buffers just outside Belgian harbours because there aren’t actually buyers yet.
sure other car brands do that too, preemptively sending more cars, create stock to anticipate upcoming increase in demand (as oppose to say waiting well over a year for your preordered Tesla to be shipped.) but not at this scale. they’re crashing the market with wave after wave of underpriced models. and it’s working. EU and European car brands are stuttering and sputtering, playing catch-up
China plastic.
Covid originates from China and right around that time they see this growth, hmmm
Germany
China really boosted their exports during covid. They kept themselves busy.
How should I know? Based on this graph, I can only see that Germany and Japan are slowly recovering, while Korea has been stagnating over the last year. It also depends on which market China is targeting: Russia or other lower-cost markets, and in which segments they can rival German and Japanese cars—economic, luxury, or SUVs.
We also don’t see the profits they are making or their business model. As of now, I see only a tiny portion of Chinese cars on the streets (if any), compared to a lot of European and Japanese/Korean cars. Can they match the quality and reliability of established brands? There are too many questions to answer at this point.
Germany will have to adapt fast after being so shit with VW not investing into Electric Cars because they are lobbyest jackasses for oil.
Yet I have never seen a Chinese car on the road.
Does not look like organic growth.