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    1. Wolf_Cola_91 on

      The question is what Trump will do when his ‘beautiful peace plan’ gets refused by Putin. 

      Will he really go through with his threat to give Ukraine a lot more weapons?

    2. bitch_fitching on

      Russia just wants to destabilize and control, their maximal goal might be to takeover Kyiv and install a puppet but their minimal goal was to stop Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU, being able to choose their own fate.

      It suits Putin to continue the conflict, as any settlement that includes a stable Ukraine without Russian control would be a loss, even if there are long periods with little activity. Until the next time, look what happened with Georgia.

    3. ChungsGhost on

      For the Russians *that’s the gоddаmnеd point.*

      Apart from the empirical evidence showing that Russians don’t actually negotiate with *anyone* but rather dictate to others or self-righteously impose themselves on others, why *would* they want to stop fighting the Ukrainians now? The cheeto gets onto the throne next week and how likely is it in the next 12-18 months that the First World will finally wake the fuсk up and put money where its mouth is when it comes to living up to “Never Again!”?

      It’s become clear over the past couple years that the Russians from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka just have not suffered enough for trying to erase “Never Again!” of the last century with “**We Can Do It Again!**” of the present century ([Можем повторить!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pobedobesie#Propaganda_and_Putin)).

      From the Russians’ primitive worldview, as long as they don’t get pounded like their Balkan BFFs in Serbia got it in the 1999 for trying to exterminate the Kosovars, then they see **no** reason to stop trying to enact their “[Final Solution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine)” for the ~~Ukrainians~~ ~~Little Russians~~ *КhоkhоІѕ* if it’s the last thing they’ll do.

      History shows also that Russians are A-OK with playing the long game with genocide. Do not be fooled by their protestations about being “anti-war”, “liberal” or “pro-peace”. This last point is especially valid considering that “peace” with millions of Russians happily squatting in permanently occupied Ukraine is more than acceptable (and *preferable* to peace in which the Russo-Ukrainian borders revert to their status on February 19, 2014).

      On the long game mentioned above, recall that the Russians needed a little more than 100 years to complete the [Circassian genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide). In keeping with the Russians’ simple but violent math, since it took a little more than 100 years to wipe out the Circassian nation of about 2 million, then taking a little more than 300 years* to do the same to the Ukrainian nation of about 40 million would be a huge mark of “progress”.

      ** N.B. The Russians’ oh-so cherished “enlightened” despot in* *~~Peter The Great~~* ***Peter The First*** *really got the ball rolling to try stamping out the Ukrainians during his regime in the early 1700s.*

    4. IndistinctChatters on

      The demands are the very same as those on March-April in Istanbul, ended after the discovery of the horrors of Bucha. Insane in 2022, insaner in 2025.

    5. GuitarGeezer on

      Peace plan? Peace agreement? With THAT Vladimir Putin? Or anybody in his orbit? Name one fu$&ing time he lived up to any agreement more than milliseconds longer than it was convenient to do so. Not logically possible.

      Russian demands are insanely unreasonable because they think of peace agreements like Hitler did. How do I leverage this piece of paper into winning a war and taking over the rest of another country for some genocide and theft? Anybody who thinks Putin’s regime is capable of peaceful coexistence even with their frenemies is on crack.

    6. Donut_Vampire on

      putin remaining alive is not compatible with the reality we exist.

    7. huegspook on

      > The replacement of President Zelensky’s government under the guise of “denazification”

      Putin’s just preaching to his brain rot choir at this point lol

    8. Ok_Tie_7564 on

      What to say? The ISW is right.

      As a footnote, in 1943, Hitler was said to be amenable to a ceasefire with the USSR, if he could keep the Soviet territory then still under German occupation.

      As Karl Marx (sic) said, “History repeats itself, first as a tragedy, second as a farce.”

    9. Embarrassed_Emu_3450 on

      I sure hope that people smarten up and realize that giving putin anything but a ruling in the Hague is a loss for humanity as a whole. If putin does leave his country for a negotiation summit, he should be arrested per ICC warrant, as he should have been several times before. 

      If he wants to make demands, he can make them from the docks, and see what he can receive THERE.

    10. ChromaticStrike on

      No shit.

      I wasn’t too worried about negotiations because they could never happen, ruzzia has no will to stop, Ukraine can’t afford their “peace”.

      The only way this war end is West pulling the plug or ruzzia defeated.

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