Yes, put the welfare scroungers to work in the military (/s …partially)
Admirable_Nothing on
I will bet the antiwar types that voted for Trump never thought about this aspect.
Unfair-Foot-4032 on
I would rather say: “Start taxing the rich. It is about defending THEIR assets anyway!”
john-th3448 on
How about implementing more fair taxation first?
TungstenPaladin on
This is more or less the tradeoff. European countries have long enjoyed generous welfare and medical benefits because their security was subsidized by the US. In order to finance a defense buildup, those same countries either have to raise taxes or cut social spending.
JimJonesdrinkkoolaid on
Yeah, I’m sure that will be very popular…
Neospecial on
Rethink wealth hoarding to finance military splurge, random Reddit user tells Elites.
Seriously, it’s like the same excuse they use on climate change; if every single pleb stops using warm water for showers, you’ll save the planet! – leaders and CEOs on their way to climate meetings and business trips in private jets
dat_9600gt_user on
The EU needs to rethink its spending priorities to boost defense budgets, NATO’s new Secretary-General Mark Rutte told the European Parliament on Monday.
“On average, European countries easily spend up to a quarter of their national income on pensions, health and social security systems, and we need only a small fraction of that money to make defense much stronger,” Rutte told MEPs.
Most EU countries also belong to NATO, and for the last decade the alliance has called on them to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense; 24 of NATO’s 32 members now meet that target.
For many countries, reaching 2 percent was a struggle — and 5 percent looks out of reach.
Rutte didn’t bring good news to politicians hoping for a reprieve.
The final NATO spending target, he told lawmakers, might be around 3.6 or 3.7 percent of GDP unless they do a better job of joint buying of weapons and equipment, as well as innovation.
Even if that happens, defense budgets “will be impressively more than the 2 percent,” Rutte warned.
Despite growing qualms over Trump, who has threatened the independence of Canada, and didn’t rule out using force to seize the Panama Canal or to take over Greenland, Rutte insisted that Europe is still tied to the U.S. for its security needs. He thinks it was an “illusion” to think Europe can go it alone on defense.
That also comes to building up Europe’s own defense industry. Rutte applauded the EU’s European Defense Industry Programme, a €1.5 billion cash pot that will be aimed at spurring local arms production, calling Europe’s current weapons sector “too small, too fragmented and too slow.”
There is a dispute over whether non-EU companies should have easy access to EDIP, but Rutte warned that it should not be used to exclude allies.
“Involving non-EU allies in EU defense industrial efforts is vital, I believe, for security of Europe,” he said. “Transatlantic defense industrial cooperation makes us all stronger.”
Live_Menu_7404 on
The only people receiving welfare with anything left to give are pensioners. Or we simply support Ukraine in a way that guarantees its victory over Russia.
djazzie on
If we give up freedoms we get from the state to defend the state, then we’ve already lost.
JustDutch101 on
For anyone who doesn’t know, the guy is and was a part of the liberal party in The Netherlands. He’s broken down welfare structures in The Netherlands, to the point where it became one of his biggest scandals.
He left a dressed down public transit, public healthcare and welfare system. He wanted to throw away shareholders tax because he made a deal with Unilever to keep their HQ in The Netherlands *which Unilever end up breaking*. He introduced student loans instead of the subsidies students got before, with the promise the money would go to improve the quality of education. In the end thousands of students started their adult life about 20k in debt while the money was spent on almost anything but improving education. And when he got confronted with lying he’d simply say he ‘didn’t have an active memory about it’ and got away with anything.
Economy-wise The Netherlands did very well under his ‘rule’ (it’s complicated, but we only have a prime-minister) and the guy is great at making seemingly impossible coalitions, it’s not like he was all bad. But it’s completely within his character to make statements like this. Welfare and public services have no priority for him.
Wide-Annual-4858 on
Why 2% of GDP is suddenly not enough for military?
LaurestineHUN on
Can we *rethink* taxcuts for billionaires and saving ‘important’ banks and private companies from bankruptcy first?
ClearHeart_FullLiver on
Not while my fellow citizens own yachts. How many yachts need to be “rethought” to fund the same increase in defense spending Mark?
NARVALhacker69 on
Or, hear me out, maybe we can take the money from the rich instead of giving the workers a worse healthcare, but what do I know lol
RelevanceReverence on
Rutte would never suggest taxing the high earners, he stays on party agenda (VVD), “stop spoiling the ones that are in need.”
The audacity.
Sumpflager on
Thats quite clever because with a powerful military we can not only defend against russia but also surpress our own people when they get angry because they cant afford a living anymore.
Special-Remove-3294 on
No.
Increase welfare
pc0999 on
Fuck no!
Tax the rich and corporations, if not this only an excusse to hoard wealth and take away labor and social rights.
bxzidff on
The mutual exclusivity is artificial, makes it clear he is more of an advocate for welfare cuts than he is for a bigger military
the_battle_bunny on
You know that nothing will come out of it.
USA under Trump will withdraw from providing security to Europe. And Germany will sabotage any attempts of collective defense in Europe.
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Yes, put the welfare scroungers to work in the military (/s …partially)
I will bet the antiwar types that voted for Trump never thought about this aspect.
I would rather say: “Start taxing the rich. It is about defending THEIR assets anyway!”
How about implementing more fair taxation first?
This is more or less the tradeoff. European countries have long enjoyed generous welfare and medical benefits because their security was subsidized by the US. In order to finance a defense buildup, those same countries either have to raise taxes or cut social spending.
Yeah, I’m sure that will be very popular…
Rethink wealth hoarding to finance military splurge, random Reddit user tells Elites.
Seriously, it’s like the same excuse they use on climate change; if every single pleb stops using warm water for showers, you’ll save the planet! – leaders and CEOs on their way to climate meetings and business trips in private jets
The EU needs to rethink its spending priorities to boost defense budgets, NATO’s new Secretary-General Mark Rutte told the European Parliament on Monday.
“On average, European countries easily spend up to a quarter of their national income on pensions, health and social security systems, and we need only a small fraction of that money to make defense much stronger,” Rutte told MEPs.
Most EU countries also belong to NATO, and for the last decade the alliance has called on them to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense; 24 of NATO’s 32 members now meet that target.
But Donald Trump is upping the ante. Last week, the U.S. president-elect [called on allies](https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-tells-allies-spend-5-percent-gdp-defense-nato/) to spend 5 percent of GDP on defense — much more than even America, which spends 3.38 percent.
For many countries, reaching 2 percent was a struggle — and 5 percent looks out of reach.
Rutte didn’t bring good news to politicians hoping for a reprieve.
The final NATO spending target, he told lawmakers, might be around 3.6 or 3.7 percent of GDP unless they do a better job of joint buying of weapons and equipment, as well as innovation.
Even if that happens, defense budgets “will be impressively more than the 2 percent,” Rutte warned.
Despite growing qualms over Trump, who has threatened the independence of Canada, and didn’t rule out using force to seize the Panama Canal or to take over Greenland, Rutte insisted that Europe is still tied to the U.S. for its security needs. He thinks it was an “illusion” to think Europe can go it alone on defense.
That also comes to building up Europe’s own defense industry. Rutte applauded the EU’s European Defense Industry Programme, a €1.5 billion cash pot that will be aimed at spurring local arms production, calling Europe’s current weapons sector “too small, too fragmented and too slow.”
There is a dispute over whether non-EU companies should have easy access to EDIP, but Rutte warned that it should not be used to exclude allies.
“Involving non-EU allies in EU defense industrial efforts is vital, I believe, for security of Europe,” he said. “Transatlantic defense industrial cooperation makes us all stronger.”
The only people receiving welfare with anything left to give are pensioners. Or we simply support Ukraine in a way that guarantees its victory over Russia.
If we give up freedoms we get from the state to defend the state, then we’ve already lost.
For anyone who doesn’t know, the guy is and was a part of the liberal party in The Netherlands. He’s broken down welfare structures in The Netherlands, to the point where it became one of his biggest scandals.
He left a dressed down public transit, public healthcare and welfare system. He wanted to throw away shareholders tax because he made a deal with Unilever to keep their HQ in The Netherlands *which Unilever end up breaking*. He introduced student loans instead of the subsidies students got before, with the promise the money would go to improve the quality of education. In the end thousands of students started their adult life about 20k in debt while the money was spent on almost anything but improving education. And when he got confronted with lying he’d simply say he ‘didn’t have an active memory about it’ and got away with anything.
Economy-wise The Netherlands did very well under his ‘rule’ (it’s complicated, but we only have a prime-minister) and the guy is great at making seemingly impossible coalitions, it’s not like he was all bad. But it’s completely within his character to make statements like this. Welfare and public services have no priority for him.
Why 2% of GDP is suddenly not enough for military?
Can we *rethink* taxcuts for billionaires and saving ‘important’ banks and private companies from bankruptcy first?
Not while my fellow citizens own yachts. How many yachts need to be “rethought” to fund the same increase in defense spending Mark?
Or, hear me out, maybe we can take the money from the rich instead of giving the workers a worse healthcare, but what do I know lol
Rutte would never suggest taxing the high earners, he stays on party agenda (VVD), “stop spoiling the ones that are in need.”
The audacity.
Thats quite clever because with a powerful military we can not only defend against russia but also surpress our own people when they get angry because they cant afford a living anymore.
No.
Increase welfare
Fuck no!
Tax the rich and corporations, if not this only an excusse to hoard wealth and take away labor and social rights.
The mutual exclusivity is artificial, makes it clear he is more of an advocate for welfare cuts than he is for a bigger military
You know that nothing will come out of it.
USA under Trump will withdraw from providing security to Europe. And Germany will sabotage any attempts of collective defense in Europe.
We are screwed. Especially the Balts.