Come possiamo sostenere la sovranità tecnologica dell’Europa?
https://noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illegal-trump-punches-first-hole-eu-us-data-deal
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Come possiamo sostenere la sovranità tecnologica dell’Europa?
https://noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illegal-trump-punches-first-hole-eu-us-data-deal
di disastervariation
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Cześć r/Europe!
We continue to hear about how important it is for Europe to be able to stand on its own – militarily, economically, and politically.
Today I wanted to talk about technology. I do think it is a positive challenge to think about ways we can strengthen Europe’s autonomy with regards to the tech we depend on, but also the systems and tools our governments require to function every day – from operating systems, to clouds, and even communication platforms.
– What change do you think needs to happen to unlock Europe’s tech potential, keep our tech companies in Europe, and allow them to grow?
– How can we, as Europeans, convince our governments (in Brussels and locally) to support projects that contribute to our tech sovereignty?
– Are there any tech sovereignty campaigns that you know of (for example the [Sovereign Tech Fund](https://www.sovereign.tech/), [FSFE’s Public Money Public Code campaign](https://fsfe.org/activities/publiccode/publiccode.en.html), or just local governments reducing their dependency on the Big Tech)?
– What Big Tech alternatives do you use and enjoy (could be European or just libre/opensource – [a cool list here](https://european-alternatives.eu/))?
Curious to know what other r slash europeans think about this topic. Also, looking forward to seeing your Eurovision entries throughout Feb 🙂
The single and the best way is good climate for private businesses.
I use proton for mail and cloud storage. In the future I would like a fairphone with e/os. I think it’s really important that European alternatives develop.
I mean, that ship has sailed
It’s like trying to compete against Coca Cola or Pepsi
Sure, you can gain 1% market share, but every kid in China, India, Russia, Brazil just will use Instagram and Facebook because they don’t care about Western politics
Radicalize americans online, and from social unrest european technologicies will be reborn, muahahah
More funding.
Building a friendly climate and ecosystem for private sector is important, but US invests more than double in R&D than EU.
If we want to stay relevant and not become the old man of the world, we need to increase those numbers yo at least match that of US or China.
Question is, do we take a debt or sacrefice spending in different fields, in order to accomplish that?
I don’t think there is any government agency within the EU that does not use a cloud service of one of the big 4. Phasing that out, should we begin today, will take longer than Trump’s presidency.
Implement a system where hardworking people get rewarded and not a system which benefits idle ones
The main issue I hear people complain about are bureaucracy, difficulty to scale and funding. There’s plenty of startups that make actually cool projects which then might endup being further developed in the US. Unlike the US, EU has 27 markets with different rules and making something work in all of them takes a lot more effort.
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Stop giving money to American companies and start giving money to European companies. That doesn’t just work for tech, it works for everything.
I’m of the opinion that this sub should start making a list of American-owned brands for which there are European alternatives, so that consumers can start to make more informed choices.
to have european tech in first place, we need changes and fast.
I have convinced myself to not buy windows 12. I will buy a SSD and try open suse and only use win10 for the steam games.
Thats my part on the decoupeling
Create a startup, realize you can’t get any funding from europeans, move to USA. Many such cases
Go back to the past and stop the creation of the circlejerk?
More subsidies for European startups. Tax break until they break even on investments. More govt. support and investment in EU university PhD studies/research.
I think one of the really important thing is the language barrier. Europe has many different languages and especially countries like Germany requires the knowledge of German. This is why Europe is losing many talented people who can work here. I heard that countries like Netherlands is better in that sense but it’s a huge problem overall for Europe.
Buy european and invest european.
Reducing excessive bureaucracy and regulations, having more European integration as well as energy and security independence, for a start, would be great.
Support the capital markets union so we can match America’s investment power.
Using US cloud services is absolutely not necessary. There is no need to use any microsoft, apple or amazon products. There is always alternatives out there, most of which the aforementioned companies base their entire existence on.
After google started to make weird Elmo/Trump driven actions, I want to start my research for good alternatives from the EU. Do you have any recommendation to replace Google Workspace. Mail, Cloud, Notes, Calendar, PPT, Excel at one place? I would hate to switch back to Microsoft 😀 thank you!
– Host your stuff in Europe using Hetzner or similar.
– Check out https://coolify.io. It’s a project to manage your hosting and offers a user friendly interface for 1 click deployment, monitoring and backups and many more features.
Well, one thing we can “import” from USA is money mentality! Only regulate after 5-10 years after creating a company. Fund more start ups. We got way too many Big Companies who lobby to not create start ups. Don’t ask me why…
Lower taxes and force that money to be invested either on the company or employees. The “small” employees not the “big” ones, if u know what I mean!
Start to take some risks. We don’t take risks and that’s a problem.
We must fail to progress!
Reduce over spending too.
Harsh point. Stop “giving” money to ppl so they can be at home. Instead we could create real school like training to acquire a different or better knowledge and motivate ppl to go to work. I’m sure, if ppl like where they work, they’ll stay, be productive and “loyal”.
I’m using Ecosia as my standard browser o7
From the side of how to get more European tech: we’d need more capital for early stage companies. As well as make founding a company as easy, hassle-free as possible. At the moment you for example can’t easily hire people living in a different EU country, without registering your company in that country as well, and multiplying the bureaucracy (and languages or the said bureaucracy). I am really disappointed in EU that this is still a problem. This is what we need, not banning smoke flavours, increasing regulation etc. As a good example, EU reaction to the AI boom has mostly been to react by bringing out the red tape.
There’s already some pretty hard to solve problems here. For example, as long as USD is the world reserve currency the amount of capital there is essentially endless, as long as they can keep growing their way out of their economic problems. Secondly, bureaucracy and high taxes are basically just really essential to Europe. It’s what we do. It’s apparently what we like.
In any case, Europe has been fairly good at creating new early stage tech companies. What happens after the start though is that these get sold off to US, and they (US corporations) make even more money off them. Perhaps if it was easier to invest in European stocks, and it came with some benefits for the investors (e.g. tax free gains made on European stocks?) maybe growing from the early stages to a more mature company without selling it off across the ocean would be a more attractive option.