Absolutely right. Although if it was Dublin, fixing the problem would likely take significantly less time and effort. They’d be fixing one line and seeing hundreds of homes restored, rather than fixing one line and seeing dozens of homes restored
Edit: also, I understand the frustration at the government, but I really don’t think forcing them all into a room would actually achieve anything. The problems that are slowing things are logistics and man power. They’ve already called in foreign support, to help with manpower, but short of going out themselves with chainsaws and trucks to clear access ways and debris, there isn’t much they can do. The real question for the government is how can we help people in the aftermath – lost earnings, or subsidies for those impacted, helping with repair costs, infrastructure improvements, dealing with insurers – these are the things the government can actually help with, and that’s what they should be under pressure to address
Dazzling_Lobster3656 on
Like what do they expect it’s 5 days after the bush fest storm in history
And they live in the Fuvking middle of nowhere
Naval_fluff on
“All out war” hyperbole
fedupofbrick on
It is Dublin and places like Artane, Sutton, Malahide still has no power
NotEnochBurke on
Was delighted to hear all of the infrastructure experts on Joe Duffy yesterday explaining how they could have done a better job. One woman suggested the government buy a turbine and two solar panels for every house on the west coast.
dropthecoin on
>Chris is critical of the fact the Dáil has not returned to deal with the aftermath of the storm.
“Hundreds of thousands [of people] are left in cold dark houses, burning through money they don’t have, while our ministers are having an extra few weeks off,” Chris said.
I wonder what is the expectation here from this reader? Aside from misunderstanding why the Dáil hasn’t resumed, is it for government to resume the Dáil and what exactly? Pass legislation to make the likes of ESB workers work harder?
ThatGuy98_ on
So one this storm has shown, if it needed confirmation, is that people are dumb.
Aggressive-Lawyer-87 on
The fucking entitlement of culchies.
“Yes I do live in a gaff in the middle of a field surrounded by nothing but I would also like the convenience and speediness of utility as someone living in Clondalkin. Oh and a ring road and make drunk driving legal while you’re at it.”
Jean_Rasczak on
It turns out building a house in the arsehole of nowhere might not be the greatest idea when a storm hits and power goes out
Especially when you consider a lot of the people living in these areas have no reason to live in that location only they wanted to build a huge f**k off house
CCFCEIGHTYFOUR on
Doesn’t take much for jackeens to turn feral tbf
cjamcmahon1 on
There is a distinct lack of sympathy for people who have lost power from those who didn’t. All this ‘what could the government do?’ brigade really should count their lucky stars that it didn’t happen to them. But to answer the question – what could the government do?
• they declared a climate emergency in 2019: did it have provision for improving disaster response? Of course it didn’t. Why no one in the media made this point is beyond me
• these storms are regular and frequent occurrences every winter. We should not be losing power for more than a few hours as a result of regular and frequent occurrences: it should be prepared for by the state and resources ready to go in the aftermath of such events
• case in point: look how many power lines are down simply because huge trees were allowed to grow out of control right beside them. This is the ESB’s job to stop this from happening. Why didn’t they?
– if the Dail was sitting the Government could be held to account for the decisions that they have made which have led us to this point. Without that, they are making do with a few photo ops, a few soundbites on media which never really presses them too hard and they’ll kick the can down the road until the next news cycle
cliff704 on
Have to say, many of the comments here are really not making the “Dubliners don’t give a shit about anything outside the M50” stereotype go away…
Edit. Of course, it’s harder to restore power in rural Mayo than in inner city Dublin. But calling people “entitled” for saying that they shouldn’t be without power for over a week is just bollocks.
Dangerous_Treat_9930 on
And that’s why Dublin keep winning the All Ireland nearly every year, No fight in them culchies, You Don’t hear Kerry people moaning either.. Just the usuals Mayo and cavan folks.. and that’s why they will always be losers.
elfy4eva on
Fuck tribalism.
Willing-Departure115 on
I’m a strong believer in the notion that two things can be true at once.
Firstly, as a country we do need to improve our climate change adaptation and look at things like better disaster response and perhaps increasing resilience in things like the power grid. However, we need to have a serious discussion about what all of this would cost. For example if we wanted to underground much if not all of the power grid it would be a tremendously expensive undertaking. What are we prepared to sacrifice in order to do this?
Secondly, we must acknowledge that Ireland has one of the lowest population densities of any country in Europe. This translates into a lot of single homes and small communities in isolated areas. You simply cannot expect the same level of service or speed of recovery as you would get in a major urban centre.
Ok_Bell8081 on
From the link below – “In serving Ireland’s large rural population, the network length per capita is four times the European average”
Consequences of permitting so much one off housing coming home to roost.
To balance it out there are actually a bunch of North Dublin still without power in Artane, Howth, Malahide and Portmarnock.
They’ve moved the estimate back for them a bunch of times so not sure what could be the issue.
CANT-DESIGN on
Ya Stick everyone in Dublin so with its endless supply of accommodation.
pablo8itall on
I think there’s some legitimate issues that could be fixed here:
– For storms of this magnitude – and there will be more of them – having EU crews on standby with a heads up should be a no brainer. That seems like a late call after the damage had been done.
– There seems to be a lack of local coordination, people are self organising but there should be better actual local government, local reps seem to have dropped the ball here. Civil defense/DF needs to be beefed up for national emergencies like this. A lot of areas seem to have been left to fend for themslves.
– More local grid resilience needed. This involves more local generation of power from renewables with distributed storage. You can build shipping containers with these very cheap Iron/Salt batteries that that feed local area’s. Have a couple of supe chargers there for EV and a hub for people to charge up things etc. Even EVs have the ability to feed a house once their are charged. Have more of them around in the rural areas would help locally.
-More emergency generators, each town/parish should have somewhere with power no matter what. All fueled and ready to go for a week or so.
Archamasse on
I don’t think some commenters here realize, there are whole strings of towns and villages with no power, we’re not just talking about some “one off down a boreen”.
Storms like this are only going to get more frequent, and there were measures we could have taken in advance of this to mitigate the damage. There are questions to be asked about what could be and what could have been done better.
unwiseeyes on
There’s people in Dublin without power still too so it’s got nothing to do with what county it’s in. People are fed up and want to moan.
slevinonion on
People here showing exactly how correct the title is. Apparently everyone outside the M50 lives in a one off house in a forest on a remote mountain.
Seen some guys in a town of 5000 bucketing water out of a river yesterday as they have no water for 4 days. Could you imagine the outrage if there was no power and a queue to scoop water out of the dodder a week after a storm.
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Absolutely right. Although if it was Dublin, fixing the problem would likely take significantly less time and effort. They’d be fixing one line and seeing hundreds of homes restored, rather than fixing one line and seeing dozens of homes restored
Edit: also, I understand the frustration at the government, but I really don’t think forcing them all into a room would actually achieve anything. The problems that are slowing things are logistics and man power. They’ve already called in foreign support, to help with manpower, but short of going out themselves with chainsaws and trucks to clear access ways and debris, there isn’t much they can do. The real question for the government is how can we help people in the aftermath – lost earnings, or subsidies for those impacted, helping with repair costs, infrastructure improvements, dealing with insurers – these are the things the government can actually help with, and that’s what they should be under pressure to address
Like what do they expect it’s 5 days after the bush fest storm in history
And they live in the Fuvking middle of nowhere
“All out war” hyperbole
It is Dublin and places like Artane, Sutton, Malahide still has no power
Was delighted to hear all of the infrastructure experts on Joe Duffy yesterday explaining how they could have done a better job. One woman suggested the government buy a turbine and two solar panels for every house on the west coast.
>Chris is critical of the fact the Dáil has not returned to deal with the aftermath of the storm.
“Hundreds of thousands [of people] are left in cold dark houses, burning through money they don’t have, while our ministers are having an extra few weeks off,” Chris said.
I wonder what is the expectation here from this reader? Aside from misunderstanding why the Dáil hasn’t resumed, is it for government to resume the Dáil and what exactly? Pass legislation to make the likes of ESB workers work harder?
So one this storm has shown, if it needed confirmation, is that people are dumb.
The fucking entitlement of culchies.
“Yes I do live in a gaff in the middle of a field surrounded by nothing but I would also like the convenience and speediness of utility as someone living in Clondalkin. Oh and a ring road and make drunk driving legal while you’re at it.”
It turns out building a house in the arsehole of nowhere might not be the greatest idea when a storm hits and power goes out
Especially when you consider a lot of the people living in these areas have no reason to live in that location only they wanted to build a huge f**k off house
Doesn’t take much for jackeens to turn feral tbf
There is a distinct lack of sympathy for people who have lost power from those who didn’t. All this ‘what could the government do?’ brigade really should count their lucky stars that it didn’t happen to them. But to answer the question – what could the government do?
• they declared a climate emergency in 2019: did it have provision for improving disaster response? Of course it didn’t. Why no one in the media made this point is beyond me
• these storms are regular and frequent occurrences every winter. We should not be losing power for more than a few hours as a result of regular and frequent occurrences: it should be prepared for by the state and resources ready to go in the aftermath of such events
• case in point: look how many power lines are down simply because huge trees were allowed to grow out of control right beside them. This is the ESB’s job to stop this from happening. Why didn’t they?
– if the Dail was sitting the Government could be held to account for the decisions that they have made which have led us to this point. Without that, they are making do with a few photo ops, a few soundbites on media which never really presses them too hard and they’ll kick the can down the road until the next news cycle
Have to say, many of the comments here are really not making the “Dubliners don’t give a shit about anything outside the M50” stereotype go away…
Edit. Of course, it’s harder to restore power in rural Mayo than in inner city Dublin. But calling people “entitled” for saying that they shouldn’t be without power for over a week is just bollocks.
And that’s why Dublin keep winning the All Ireland nearly every year, No fight in them culchies, You Don’t hear Kerry people moaning either.. Just the usuals Mayo and cavan folks.. and that’s why they will always be losers.
Fuck tribalism.
I’m a strong believer in the notion that two things can be true at once.
Firstly, as a country we do need to improve our climate change adaptation and look at things like better disaster response and perhaps increasing resilience in things like the power grid. However, we need to have a serious discussion about what all of this would cost. For example if we wanted to underground much if not all of the power grid it would be a tremendously expensive undertaking. What are we prepared to sacrifice in order to do this?
Secondly, we must acknowledge that Ireland has one of the lowest population densities of any country in Europe. This translates into a lot of single homes and small communities in isolated areas. You simply cannot expect the same level of service or speed of recovery as you would get in a major urban centre.
From the link below – “In serving Ireland’s large rural population, the network length per capita is four times the European average”
Consequences of permitting so much one off housing coming home to roost.
https://www.esbnetworks.ie/who-we-are/our-networks
One off housing doesn’t help their issues
To balance it out there are actually a bunch of North Dublin still without power in Artane, Howth, Malahide and Portmarnock.
They’ve moved the estimate back for them a bunch of times so not sure what could be the issue.
Ya Stick everyone in Dublin so with its endless supply of accommodation.
I think there’s some legitimate issues that could be fixed here:
– For storms of this magnitude – and there will be more of them – having EU crews on standby with a heads up should be a no brainer. That seems like a late call after the damage had been done.
– There seems to be a lack of local coordination, people are self organising but there should be better actual local government, local reps seem to have dropped the ball here. Civil defense/DF needs to be beefed up for national emergencies like this. A lot of areas seem to have been left to fend for themslves.
– More local grid resilience needed. This involves more local generation of power from renewables with distributed storage. You can build shipping containers with these very cheap Iron/Salt batteries that that feed local area’s. Have a couple of supe chargers there for EV and a hub for people to charge up things etc. Even EVs have the ability to feed a house once their are charged. Have more of them around in the rural areas would help locally.
-More emergency generators, each town/parish should have somewhere with power no matter what. All fueled and ready to go for a week or so.
I don’t think some commenters here realize, there are whole strings of towns and villages with no power, we’re not just talking about some “one off down a boreen”.
Storms like this are only going to get more frequent, and there were measures we could have taken in advance of this to mitigate the damage. There are questions to be asked about what could be and what could have been done better.
There’s people in Dublin without power still too so it’s got nothing to do with what county it’s in. People are fed up and want to moan.
People here showing exactly how correct the title is. Apparently everyone outside the M50 lives in a one off house in a forest on a remote mountain.
Seen some guys in a town of 5000 bucketing water out of a river yesterday as they have no water for 4 days. Could you imagine the outrage if there was no power and a queue to scoop water out of the dodder a week after a storm.