Il parlamento tedesco discuterà oggi se vietare l’AFD

Greens and group around Wanderwitz: AfD ban to be discussed in Bundestag on Thursday
Nicole Diekmann
by Nicole Diekmann
28.01.2025 | 17:20
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Both the so-called Wanderwitz motion and a group motion from the ranks of the Greens deal with an AfD ban. A vote is scheduled for Thursday.
Saxony, Leipzig: Participants in a left-wing demonstration walk along a street with a banner reading ‘AfD ban now!’.
Two motions on a possible AfD ban are to be debated in the Bundestag on Thursday.
Source: dpa
Two motions on banning the AfD are on the Bundestag agenda on Thursday.
Wanderwitz motion calls for AfD ban proceedings
The first is the so-called Wanderwitz motion: a group centred around CDU politician and former Federal Government Commissioner for Eastern Europe Marco Wanderwitz calls in their motion for the adoption of a ban procedure against the AfD. Such proceedings can be initiated either by the Bundestag, the Bundesrat or the federal government.
The decision on a ban itself can only be made by the Federal Constitutional Court (BVerfG) in Karlsruhe. More than 120 members of the Bundestag are behind the motion. They come from the CDU/CSU, SPD, Left Party and Green Party parliamentary groups. The FDP, BSW and, logically, the AfD do not want to vote in favour.

‘We are convinced’ that “the AfD can be banned”, says Marco Wanderwitz, CDU, co-initiator of the motion to ban the AfD. But there are ‘no guarantees’.14.11.2024 | 4:21 min
Critics doubt that all requirements are met
There are many reasons for the rejection. Some argue in principle, such as CSU regional group leader Alexander Dobrindt. He is certain that there are ‘radical and extremist elements’ in the AfD, he says, but does not want to ‘give them any additional opportunity to present themselves as victims’.
Others, such as SPD parliamentary group leader Rolf Mützenich, want more information from the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution before such a vote. The agency is monitoring the party as a suspected right-wing extremist and categorises individual players such as Thuringian AfD state leader Björn Höcke as confirmed right-wing extremists.

What does ‘confirmed right-wing extremist’ mean?

Mützenich is concerned that there is not enough evidence that the AfD not only represents an anti-constitutional stance, but also wants to realise this stance in an active, aggressive manner. This is the hurdle for the BVerfG to ban a party. Should it come to the conclusion that the AfD does not fulfil this requirement and decide against a ban, many fear that this will give the party a clean note of health and increase its popularity.

The AfD is on the rise – even though it is considered ‘definitely right-wing extremist’ in three federal states. Should the party be banned? 22.12.2023 | 14:26 min Second group motion calls for a declaration of unconstitutionality The second group motion, which is also on the agenda in the Bundestag on Thursday, addresses these concerns. This motion comes from the ranks of the Greens led by former Federal Minister Renate Künast. It is entitled ‘Motion to establish the unconstitutionality of the AfD’: before the Bundestag decides on a ban procedure, its chances of success should first be carefully examined.

Switchboard interview with Renate Künast (B‘90/GREENS, spokesperson for food and agriculture) on 14/11/2024.14/11/2024 | 7:30 min Künast as well as Irene Mihalic, First Parliamentary Secretary of the Green parliamentary group in the Bundestag, and Green MP Lukas Benner call on Bundestag President Bärbel Bas to “appoint experts to examine the prospects of success of an application to ban the ”Alternative for Germany’ as soon as possible’. Bas also recently expressed scepticism about the so-called Wanderwitz proposal in a newspaper interview.

Bas: “Demokratien sind in Gefahr”

Secondly, Künast and others demand that the Federal Government ‘make available to the German Bundestag [the commissioned experts] all materials available to it and its subordinate authorities that could be relevant to the aforementioned examination’.
The debate is scheduled to begin at 5.30 pm and will last 68 minutes.

(translated with DeepL)

tl;dr

-the Parliament will start an official debate on whether to formally ask the Constitutional Court to start the process to ban the AfD;

-it is uncertain whether they will decide to do so, as both the SPD and CDU are split on the issue; however, if they do provide a formal request, it is very possible that the Court will vote for a ban;

-the entire process will be lengthy and will occur after the coming elections anyway;

-if the AfD will get banned, all of its successors will get automatically banned as well, meaning there will be no chance for a “more radical” party to form. Its members will also lose their political status and banned from entering the Parliament again, and they might also face jail time. Party assets will be seized.

-the AfD has already been declared an extremist organization in three German states, meaning it is now under special surveillance by the intelligence. Its youth wing in Saxony has already been disbanded.

-only once has a party ever been banned in Germany since the war (the Communist party in 1956); they tried to ban the neonazi party NPD in 2015, but the Court decided against it as it wasn’t enough of a political force to threaten democracy (they had less than 5% of the votes and no representation in Parliament).

It it wise to give the 20% of the population who say they would vote for AfD the experience that it is impossible to solve the very real problems Germany is experiencing with certain immigrant groups cannot be solved through democratic and legal means?

Let’s hope they do. Fuck nazis.

Only fascists ban political parties.

You can’t just Ban your opponents

“Is it democratic to ban a party?” Yes if that party is a threat to democracy.

“But isn’t it intolerant to ban a party?” Maybe, but if that party is a threat to tolerance itself then it needs to happen.

Do it. Fascism has no place in a democracy. You either fight fascism and intolerance or you succumb to it.

Banning a party that has 20% support doesn’t seem like a proper solution. The problem is not the party itself, but the people who vote for it. Remember, every country deserves the leaders they have.

I have not followed this case.

Can anyone tell what makes AfD a nazi party?

Trump raising tariffs agains Germany if they ban Afd

Seems a little too late rn.
They already have a lot of support, by banning them you just assure civil unrest.

The irony of pro-democracy people arguing that in order to “defend” democracy…you just ban your opponents party for participating! Putin would be proud of you guys

Please do, please do, pleeeeeeease ban that horror of the past coming back with support of american nazis

Let’s be real here for a minute: the established parties don’t want to ban AFD because of their love for democracy. They want to ban them because they threaten their financial basis.

From CDU to SPD, these parties have MAJOR corruption issues. It has been proven for years, but the system they built protects them from taking any kind of responsibility. Our political spectrum is fucked from one end to the other and none of these parties actually want to build a strong, functional democracy. They only care about their own gains, be they political, economical, financial or otherwise motivated.

How about we ban ALL parties and start from scratch?

Austria banned the Nazis in the early 30s, a few years later they were marching through the cities and were cheered by the people.

It’s absolutely a right decision to ban afd and similar parties in europe, I hope it will be done.

Nazis should not have access to political power. Simple as that.

Banning the Afd would be such a genuinely stupid move. Agree with the Afd or not, what does those guys hope to achieve? Afd is what, 20% of voters? Imagine that you remove the party, will those 20% voters suddenly disappear? No, they will just vote for another lesser known party with similar ideas and transform it into Afd2.
We had the same stuff in France. Lots of tiny far-right parties got banned due to being racist/xenophobic/fascist. Did it remove the issue? No. Their voters simply went to other far-right parties until all of them finally converged into the RN due to almost all the others further right parties getting banned. Imo, the RN isn’t fascist, but some of its voters certainly are since they used to vote for former more extremist parties.

Do it!
Can’t the lawmakers use Elon Musk as a factor of influence in the Afd? He did promote neonazi contents in his platform between other actions.

Un Greece they did ban tge Nazis of Golden Down, they are no less democratic than any other country in EU.

They also said Trump should be defeated at the bailoutbox, we see that fascism won.

Save your democracy and ban AfD, grow a spine.

Finding it ironic that the party which imported millions and hundreds of terrorists unchecked due to which families lost their loved ones uncompensated without apology get to decide what is bannable.