È la Francia contro il resto sull’acquisto di armi
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-defense-summit-buying-us-weapons-donald-trump-ukraine-war-council-emmanuel-macron-antonio-costa/
di NoTicket4098
È la Francia contro il resto sull’acquisto di armi
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-defense-summit-buying-us-weapons-donald-trump-ukraine-war-council-emmanuel-macron-antonio-costa/
di NoTicket4098
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>”If at this point in time, as the EU, we’re going to be investing billions in defense capabilities and we are firmly shutting the door to U.S. defense, do you think that will sell well in Mar-a-Lago?” asked a European diplomat
They still don’t get it. We need the defense capabilities to defend *from* Mar-a-Lago at this point, there’s no use in buying them from the attacker that has a killswitch.
I dont often agree with the French, but in this case they are right. Already Biden started a programme that basically aimed at hurting the EU and Trump has made it clear by now, that this second term is even more just about them. We as the EU are big and strong enough to react accordingly and the constant appeasement has not brought us anything positive in the last few years – so in other words it cannot be worse. Why would we spend money on a country, that clearly has no interest in doing the same for us?
The french are right and everyone else is deadly wrong. No appeasement is possible with Trump. You will buy F35s from him and he will drop you like a used condom the next day. Not when you need him, literally the next time he wants to. And he will disable those F35s just to spite you.
The fact that there are people who don’t understand this is mind boggling.
[Buy American act (1933)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_American_Act)
If Europe cuts off US defence firms, America will retaliate and cut off European defence firms from DOD contracts. The US DOD is a big customer for several European defence firms, such as BAE (60% of 2023 revenue), Safran, Naval Group, Rheinmetall, Leonardo, etc. Can European countries spend enough with their MICs to make up for the loss of US sales? With France, the US can pull the EMALS from the PAANG, France would have to use a ski jump instead of a CATOBAR system for their next carrier.
We need to get rid of that oppressing burocracy and then we can move bigger and better than ever!
Yeah, except when Britain tries to buy Belgium has often refused to sell.
Last time was 2022 (an isostatic press). However, has been a constant issue in supply of ammunition especially in time of war.
What’s the point on buying from EU if they refuse to sell it when you actually need it?
While our short-term need to build up defenses against Russia is a solid point for us to but American weapons, the fact that the US president won’t rule out an invasion of Greenland byvtge US makes building up a dependence on US military providers seem like a bad mid-term investment
I really hope Portugal does ot buy F35… too expensive for us and with no warranty of long support from the USA since this will be the new normal.
And they fall like flies in the states also…
This is not overstating it by saying that relying on US made weapons for defence is basically suicide. They can disable them at will. I do not recall the details, but there was an incident last year where the US disabled missile warheads on a German ship during some joint exercise or other.
“Source: Politico” Okay, and do we have an unbiased source too?
France in favour of buying weapons from France. News at 9.
Passive and compliance is the reason the Democrats are now a weak and silent opposition. Trying to be nice to Trump, hoping he’ll ease up is not the way to go. I choose violence (not actual violence, but as a metaphor for extreme opposition).
Grow some balls and have some self respect. Trump will f*ck you even more if you don’t decouple from the US on defense.
> Paris is holding firm to its position that European taxpayer money should be spent on military systems designed and made in Europe.
> But many other countries warn that excluding U.S. arms-makers from EU subsidies would enrage U.S. President Donald Trump, several diplomats argued
How quick we are to go kiss the ring. Instead of putting pressure on him by enraging Lockheed-Martin, we’re already surrendering. This continent’s politicians are going to lead us to disaster because they’re so afraid of it and married to “norms” that died a long time ago.
Should only buy weapons from Europa to the response of the shit Trump is doing.
Buy Rafalle, Eurofighter and Gripen, develop a joint fighter for the whole of EU, same with tanks, also we might need drones a lot of drones and training to operate them, and that’s why we must help Ukraine.
USA is not a trustworthy ally anymore, that ship has sailed. The sooner European leaders realize this, the better.
French is right. Relly on weapons manufactured by US now is like rellying on weapons manufactured by Russia.
Trump has made it perfectly clear his America has no allies.
If you wouldn’t buy your arms from Russia, don’t buy them from America.
We should have bought Typhoons or Eurofighters instead of F35s. Getting into a standoff situation with US is no longer out of the realm of the possible, and would we be able to get spare parts for all the US weapon systems?
yeah, buy more Swedish and Finnish weaponry. We swedes are good at high-tech weapon while the Finns makes really great rifles.
Nope is more like:
Don’t buy american buy french.
And remember germans and french usually are the ones who walk away for international development cooperations becouse the others don’t adapt to their requisite.
I understand the point, but i need to remember how many time the french walked away for collaborations.
The F35 is a collaboration with the USA, some people forgot that many buyed in the project to acquire something nobody in the EU was capable to build.
I think if the EU will build for example a new tank and that tank isn’t built at leastn 50% in France, the french will be the first to opt out.
It’s so fucking insane now to keep deepening our defence reliance on the US. Now is the time to push ahead for strategic autonomy from the US including and especially defence production. It should be clear to everyone we can no longer view the US as a solid and dependable ally. Pivoting away will take years if not decades, so we need to start now.
I just wish half the countries in Europe hadn’t just bought into the most expensive fighter jet program in their histories, for jets they can only use with active US support.
Buying US weapons made sense 20 or 10 years ago as an all-in-one security insurance. That time is over.
One problem is that many EU countries have flexible security needs for which the US have several commercial solutions, whereas France/Germany/UK have rigid defense systems that are mostly custom built for their specific military thinking or interest. Exhibit A: failed development of common fr-ger tank.
Switching to 100% EU defense systems will be hard and a technological downgrade for decades.