Il Primo Ministro armeno segnala la volontà di fare concessioni territoriali per facilitare l’accordo sui confini

    https://eurasianet.org/armenian-pm-signals-willingness-to-make-territorial-concessions-to-facilitate-border-deal

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    1. GuthlacDoomer on

      I am rapidly losing faith in the prime ministers ability to lead this country. He is playing directly into the hands of the opposition by issuing defeatist statement after defeatist statement. There is, in the litany of impotent statements he has made since 2022 on the border issue, a profound lack of any concrete language and no repeated assertion that Azerbaijan is occupying Armenian territory. This fact is almost just a side detail that gets mentioned by him nowadays. It should be the primary topic of discussion and Armenia should be deciding its foreign policy around the fact that the country has been invaded.

      He should, at the very least, start taking notes from Zelensky. Or maybe start doing blow like Zelensky so he doesn’t always sound like a pathetic worm.

      Trying to negotiate with people who have straight up annexed parts of Armenia is absurd. Buy time if you need to but don’t adopt defeatism, youll only give these Kremlin cocksuckers more ammunition to mobilize the population against you.

    2. ticklerizzlemonster on

      Article makes it worse than it sounds. If the 4 villages are handed over, and the delimitation process starts, using the Soviet maps (which seems to be the framework for this process), Azerbaijan will have to concede territory that is internationally recognized as Armenian land. That seems to be the angle being pushed here, even if it hasn’t been outwardly said, the logic follows as such.

      If this isn’t the case though and I am wrong (though I doubt it) then this is a terrible mistake

    3. It’s over. Pasho is in fact a plant and Armenia is a failed state.

    4. Evakuate493 on

      People see the headlines and really think from their armchairs they know better than the government of Armenia…come on, people.

    5. Does anyone have a map of this Alma-Ata declaration, specifically the border delimitation? Ive seen the enclaves in Tavush, but cartographically I cant find a detailed map to reference.

    6. InsideBoysenberry518 on

      I mean if he does and gets a totally recognized boarder wouldn’t it mean A) armenia gets back territories occupied since may 2021 B) it gets back Artsvashen

    7. 4r3v0x4ch on

      No concessions

      And if you say “but if not they are going to invade” okay. And what will prevent them from asking for more concessions after it with the threat of invading?

    8. lmsoa941 on

      People in here pretending that they understand what’s going on.

      1-Pasho stated that the return of these lands will be included in the border delimitation through the Alma-ATA agreement. So for these 4 lands, Armenia will be getting its **31 villages that were captured by Azerbaijan**. Which was already stated by Pasho.

      I don’t know about you, but I’d rather we get our villages back without any deaths. And keeping 4 **empty** villages is not really a good thing to do, idk, maybe you like an eye for an eye.

      A better argument here for a critical opposition would be “How will Armenia guarantee the protection of the residents in nearby villages”, or “How is the transition process?”, etc..

      2-Pasho is acting according to Western And EU powers. And thinking that the EU presence **Hasn’t delayed the eventual invasion**, and pretending that now we can just go against the agreements we singed (in 2023) on border delimitation, and not be invaded sooner, is dumb

      Both the US and EU have **repeatedly** expressed how they want both Ar and Az to be on their team. Which is the main reason why we don’t have full support.
      Both US and EU want both countries to **control their own borders**.

      I also think that there’s nobody that believe that the EU did NOT push the invasion of Azerbaijan. As already proven by the latest attacks at Nerkin Hand.

      3-Putting 1 and 2 together you get the Azerbaijani perspective.

      That Aliyev will **not** hand over the 31 captured villages, due to its military strategic positions. Ergo, showing that they are still interested in invading Armenia. And expected Armenia to react defensively.

      Also in tune with Aliyevs **previous** public statements to rile up the Armenians, and prop up the Armenian opps.

      And secondly, shows that Aliyev is running out of justifications for war. And knows it will lose some of its privileges if they continue causing problems on the border (as seen after the EU parliament vote, and they *suddenly* stopped border issues, after testing the waters).

      Aliyev is now left to fend the pressure of the West by itself. Which it likes leveraging to escape consequences.

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      Nevertheless, all of this is being done to the detriment of Armenia and its citizens.

      It’s clear that Az is making demands, however those demands are not enforced by the **everlasting glorious strength of Azerbaijan**. And while the threats of their power remains.

      It’s more likely that its EU and Western powers that are pressuring Armenia to concede, and “Not make trouble”. Again, to get Az under their wing.

      One demand being to drop the international lawsuits on them. And that’s something that Azerbaijan would want for both internal audiences, and to weaken Armenia internationally.

      The government has chosen this road since it’s probably the safest they believe for now. Or they hope Azerbaijan will continue its “anti”Western position and win big in a year or two.

      Some people will disagree, others won’t.

      But at this point it’s he’s just saying **I’m gonna sign the border delimitation based on 90’s borders”** that he’s been talking about for the past 3 F###ing years.

      And every year we get the same reaction.

      Our choices are:

      1–disagree with EU, western, and Russian agreements, remove EU observers and get invaded

      2-Agree with Russian agreements, lose Syunik. Best case is we don’t get invaded.

      3-Agree with EU/Western agreements, concede to demands. Keep Syunik, keep and build military independence. in one case we get our 31 villages without any soldiers dying, and get EU support if we ever get invaded. On the other, Azerbaijan keeps getting isolated.

      4-Go balls into invasion to get those 31 villages back. We don’t need any air defenses, we have 2 AKASH’s and a radar system. French mountain infantry fighters trained our soldiers for a month in February, should be good.

      Please tell me what options 5-6-7 are. I am genuinely interested in understanding all those who call bs on the border delimitation process. I’m not saying it’s good, but its not **supposed to be good, we lost a war 3 years ago**

    9. Prestigious-Hand-225 on

      The cycle of hate will continue to turn I see, this time Armenians against Azerbaijan.

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