Quanto tempo vivono gli europei dopo il pensionamento? Aspettativa di vita dopo età pensionistica per uomini e donne (OC)

I believe we need some equality

It’s a death sentence

The Men statistics are fucking sad, with one surprise being Turkey. How come?

Does the statistic include people who do not reach retirement age at all?

It sounds like this data is simply just taking the average age of retirement and average life expectancy and subtracting the two.

Which isn’t quite the same as “how long people live *after* retirement”

Edit: Not even, they’ve just used the statutory retirement age

As seen, the medical system is essential. I have friends in top countries, and if they have anything to say about it, the hospitals and healthcare there are better than in most other places. I know some people are still surprised, but access to medicine really helps improve life expectancy.

This is a bit misleading? Including people who die before retirement seems to render the metric a bit redundant. Should probably have 2 figures per country, percentage reaching retirement, and then the years the live afterwards. Also, retirement ages vary, which will account for a lot of the difference – there should be a standard age chosen to normalise it – or banding.

Also, it looks like all this is really showing is life expectancy in another form.

Would also be curious is there any accounting for emigration and wealth distribution. I would guess that a decent number of wealthier people retire to warmer countries, which is going to skew the numbers.

Few things, this only looks at years lived, not years lived in health (which is kinda more important, nice that I am retired…in an elderly home shitting into diapers with the cognitive ability of a toddler).

Some countries in eastern europe have a different retirement age for women based on number of kids (which is kinda silly, but how it is.).

The difference between men and women. 1) men more often die young due to accidents. 2) A lot of the likely factors of living longer in women is due to their own lifestyle. Women tend to have healthier diets with more vegetables. Women tend to actually follow-up with doctors. More likely to see mental health help. On average women smoke less and drink less alcohol. (Part of it is likely genetics, women have better immune system, estrogen protects the heart, and are smaller ie. have less cells that can go and become tumours).

This is even more apparent since married men tend to live 7-10 years longer than umarried men. Likely because their wifes force healthier lifestyle on them, they have better social support etc. So if we want to close the gap, I dont know, eat veggies and get married?.

And all the politicians are shocked and in disbelief when people complain about making retirement later and social security taxes higher. As if western countries having the same retirement age is somehow a consolation when your life expectancy is almost a decade shorter, wages half, and prices higher.

Sounds like equity would dictate higher retirement age for women… (I’m for equality instead, but many countries are unequal in the opposite way)

I think it should be 60. If you’ve worked your entire life who cares if you have 5 years off?Plus it would help you enjoy yourself abit, before you become too decrepit to do anything else with your life.

Not 2 years 💀

The metric is flawed as it only assesses relative to statutory retirement age. It doesn’t account for:

1. People who can retire early
2. People who can’t retire at all.

It also looks to just use a very coarse assumption of:

Life expectancy – Statutory retirement

This data is completely useless for the purposes of assessing the metric it proports to illustrate

well thats just depressing

So they took life expectancy from birth and then subtracted the retirement age from it while totally overlooking that life expectancy from birth includes all the deaths that happen before people reach retirement age? Then there’s also people who retire earlier, so just taking the statutory retirement age doesn’t help for accuracy either.

Which means that all the shown numbers are far lower than they should be.

The difference in Russia and Ukraine is so big it’s almost absurd

The crass difference between men and women here is shocking, but I expect this to not become the huge headline it should become.

It is not useful for comparing different countries to each others, since there are many different retirement ages across Europe.

Poland, alongside countries like Russia and Uzbekistan, has the largest retirement age gap between men and women in the world. 65 for men and 60 for women. Let that sink in. Talk about gender equality! This is sheer fucking madness.

Isnt it kinda sad that we work a whole life to end up with ~14 years of mediocre living at the end of our lives…