Gli europei pensano che noi sia “partner necessario” non “alleato”, lo studio scopre

ahhh uk you came out in the funniest part

The survey was done in December 2024, the numbers must have drastically changed since then, as Trump has been very actively and effectively destroying what was left of the reputation and soft power of the USA.

Here is the study: [https://ecfr.eu/publication/transatlantic-twilight-european-public-opinion-and-the-long-shadow-of-trump/](https://ecfr.eu/publication/transatlantic-twilight-european-public-opinion-and-the-long-shadow-of-trump/)

The US is trying to undermine our society right now, they are not our friends. All this negativity and doubt feeds the machine to ruin our society. Here is an article on Ideoligical Subversion, at least be aware of this, please [https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/](https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/)

EU: You need to step up the global influence campaigns. If RUSSIA, CHINA, and company are running interference efforts in the US, and those efforts directly impact the EU, then the you need to support your causes and implement similar systems of ‘informative” social media campaigns…

The good thing about Trump is that the EU is finally waking up from its “let’s keep everything the same until we retire and hope for the best” geopolitical strategy.

The US is not an ally, just like China is not an ally. Both are equally big superpowers on the world stage with whom you can occasionally work together on specific subjects. With China that will work better than with the US, as China is the only one out of the two that is able to take rational and predictable decisions.

We already learned to look the other way when it comes to Uighurs and Tibet because we like shopping at Decathlon and SHEIN so much. We’ve also learned that under German apathy strategies, we’re unable to compete with not-too-advanced/specialized Chinese industries and German carmakers are approaching a slow and steady death. So let’s learn some lessons from the current German success story, apply it to the future, and expand some of our trade and climate change partnerships with China. We can even cut Russia off weapons supply and economic recovery if we play it smartly. We can even involve the Iranians, who will be desperate to strike a trade deal. Open our doors to US knowledge migrants looking for Quality of Life. The world is at our feet, as long as we have a plan.

NATO, the UN, the ICC, Bretton-Woods and all of the other Western post-war institutions are dead in their current form, with a global superpower leading it that is becoming an irrational and unpredictable dictatorship. The earlier we accept that the better, as that means building a military that provides enough geopolitical basis and deterrance to Russia that it creates the stability that our continent needs to not depend on a dictatorship-in-the-making.

Also, what would really help is that our dear EU leaders, that are so full of Universal Values on their moral highgrounds, come to the realisation that geopolitics has no morals. It’s as moral as the least moral actor. Now that the US, as a global superpower, has given up on doing the right thing (I mean, the Gaza proposal, wtf) – the overall morality in geopolitics will take a hit. It will get uglier. And that stinks sometimes. Then you have to make a deal with Iran. Or with China. But hey – at least you’re part of the grown-ups!

Cross posted to r/BoycottUnitedStates

US? I think of imperialist colonizers which my government bend their knees, not allies

A study by the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) shows that Europeans no longer see the US as an ‘ally’, and revealed a broad variety of opinions on the future of the EU.

A majority of Europeans considers the US is a “necessary partner” rather than “an ally”, according to a poll published on Wednesday by the pan-European think tank European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), against the backdrop of friction between the EU and US over tariffs.

This view was shared by half of the respondents to the survey, and a majority of those questioned in countries traditionally close to the US, such as Denmark, Germany and Poland.

“This represents a big change for some countries that used to be strongly transatlantic,” Pawel Zerka, ECFR’s senior policy fellow, said, adding: “But this is understandable because if Donald Trump does no longer present the transatlantic alliance as a true alliance, but as something which needs to be transactional, then we simply accept it.”

According to the analyst, the situation should be regarded as an “opportunity” for Europeans to try to set up a “pragmatic approach to the US rather than an idealistic one”.

The poll was conducted in 11 EU countries – including Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary – as well as Ukraine, Switzerland, and the UK.

However, it also shows diverging opinion on Trump himself, with more apparent supporters in south-east Europe and detractors in northern and western countries of Europe.

# ‘Euro-optimists’ vs -pessimists

Almost half (49%) of Hungarians polled thought Trump’s re-election was positive for world peace, with 45% like-minded in Bulgaria and Romania. By contrast, 62% of Danes and 55% of Germans questioned thought he will be “bad” for world peace.

The study also showed broad variations in Europeans’ perception of Europe and its role in the world. The largest camp, so-called “euro-optimists”, believe that the EU is a great power and that its collapse is unlikely within the next two decades. They represented 30% of the respondents, with the largest group in Estonia, Denmark, Ukraine, Spain and Portugal. By contrast, 22% of respondents were “euro-pessimists”, believing the EU is not a power and is doomed to collapse.

“Plenty of people doubt whether the EU is a great power who could deal on equal terms with the likes of China or the US. There are many people also across the EU who question the resilience of the bloc and believe that it’s likely that in the next decade or two the EU could fall apart,” Zerka said, adding that “there are several shades of grey” and that those who believe that the EU will fall apart and that it’s not a great power “are actually a minority”.

The overall sample of the study included 18,507 respondents.

Ally kind of assumes you are pursuing the same or at least compatible goals. The current US government is not pursuing compatible goals to that of the EU, nor is it assured that following US governments will.

The USA is too big a player in the world for us to ignore or risk having as an enemy, but considering them an ‘ally’ at this stage would be dangerous.

US has a nuclear deterrence, and Europe doesn’t.

I don’t count the British or French small nuke holdings as a European deterrence. Same goes for the American nukes in Germany’s hands, which are controlled by US.

The one thing that has prevented a nuclear war over the past 70 years has been that East/West balance in nuclear weapons, and the threat of mutually assured destruction.

Trumps narratives about Nato and his open invitation to Russia to invade any Nato country “that hasn’t paid their bills” has already scuppered Nato and more significantly, it has scuppered the East/West balance of nuclear deterrence.

There is no longer a promise of Mutually Assured Destruction. Anyone in Europe who thinks the Americans are going to retaliate of Warsaw or Berlin or Helsinki or Stockholm or Rome gets nuked is a complete fool.

For all intents and purposes, the Americans have already quit Nato, in spirit if not in form. So Europe might as well demand the removal of the 100k US personnel stationed in Europe, and demand the return of the bases that the US have operated.

And the main economic powers in Europe, need to urgently develop nukes of their own to restore some kind of balance to nuclear deterrence with an aggressive Russia.

And European countries need to get the hell out of supporting US imperial interests in the Pacific. There is a French carrier group out in the Indo Pacific at the moment …. what the hell are they doing there? The same gors for Britain, who have two carrier groups which are often asked to support US carrier groups. That needs to end.

One could also see the writing on the wall once the demographic change started happening in the US.

Immigration from europe started dying out and so did the politicians who immigrated to US in 20th century or had close ties to Europe. They, as expected, got replaced by politicians with backgrounds from ethnic groups that are actively immigrating to Europe and shifted focus from US-European ties to US-Latin american and US-Asian ties.