yeah that’s now things are moving so fast god knows what the position will be tomorrow or even in an hour. Europe is pissed at the US and just may take matters into their own hands we will see how it all falls out further down the road.
Jumping-Gazelle on
and what does Ukraine think of it?
>*Ukraine will never accept deals made behind our backs without our*
*involvement. And the same rule should apply to all of Europe. No*
*decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine. No decisions about Europe*
*without Europe*
Goal-Final on
Munich 1938 and this time even worse than that because back then Chamberlain and Daladier weren’t traitors of the western values and friends of dictators like Donald Quisling Trump.
BuddyBroDude on
Cause Trump already made a Deal with Putin and now EU would only hinder it
v0rash on
It’s impossible to take the Trump administration seriously. It’s evident that they are only in it for the money that comes from Ukrainian resources while getting to sell massive amounts of arms to EU nations. Classic Trumpian economics where everything is a zero sum game.
Inside_Ad_7162 on
We’re getting close to them declaring war on us. & by them I mean the US & by us I mean Europe.
DoNot-Lie-To-Me on
Gangsters all of the US Gov.
Slava Ukraini!
You_Will_Fail1 on
It just shows trump has absolutly no idea what he is doing
ITI110878 on
This will quickly change once the EU introduces some nice regulations that will target the largest US companies.
Inside_Ad_7162 on
US officials are on their way to Saudi Arabia NOW.
Murder_Bird_ on
It’s going to be very interesting when the US and Russia announce a “deal” and everyone just ignores them. Then what? Trump will definitely want to remove all sanctions on Russia but Europe will not. Does he sanction Europe to force them? Do they tell him to fuck off and ban trade in dollars? Looking forward to the collapse of the world economy. Should be a fun time.
old--- on
Well Europe has had nearly three years to help Ukraine end this war with a victory. Demonstrate to pootin that his ideas about bringing the band back together are not acceptable. And Europe has chosen to not do so. I am not even going into pre-2022 Europe where countries were sending good hard cash to pootin for energy. Letting pootin build up his army on the backs of Europe. Europe chose to just give Ukraine just enough to help Ukraine lose slower. By doing this, pootin must pay a higher price. And it seems to me that all Europe wants to do it make the price for Ukraine so high that pootin has to wait a long time before he can regroup and go after the next swath of land. This way all the current leaders are out of office and have just kicked the hard decision down the road. I will also remind everyone that Trump was right about warning Europe NATO about all the money they were sending to pootin.
Top-Permit6835 on
Send in fucking EU troops already damn it
Blueskyways on
So the US won’t offer any security guarantees to Ukraine, and any peacekeeping will be the responsibility of European nations but the Europeans aren’t allowed to be part of the deliberations?
Sounds like a recipe to fuck the Ukrainians over royally.
Seattle_gldr_rdr on
Cheeseberder-eating orange surrender monkey.
TerribleServe6089 on
They should at least be observing so they can tell the American people the truth as bozo in charge won’t.
Fried_egg_im_in_love on
I just signed a treaty with Brasil. Neither country sent an envoy to sign it, but I did!
Complex_Resolve3187 on
Then there are no peace talks.
DarkAtlanticUS on
Why does Putin have this power over Trump? This is how American see it. Do Europeans have any alternative theories?
The most obvious explanation is blackmail, as some have speculated. Others suggest that Putin, rumored to be the world’s richest man, commands Trump’s admiration due to his wealth. A third possibility is that Trump envies the power of dictators who can throw people out of windows without consequence—something he may aspire to emulate in the future.
Maybe if the reason was uncovered, it could help Ukraine?
vabend on
Europe would certainly not be so worried about not being involved if the US had a capable leadership and not someone as incompetent as Trump.
chamedw on
Well good luck with that dickheads, Ukrainians are no fools, they know what this would mean. No matter how you slice it EU is much bigger supporter of Ukraine than US ever was.
charlie_008 on
Fck these talks. Keep fighting
shortnix on
Europe needs to come up with it’s own plan then.
thoughtlessengineer on
I’m starting to get the impression that Ukraine will just fuck off the whole process.
Due-Dot6450 on
Trump and his cronies should be arrested immediately and charged with treason. Are there no sober-thinking people in the US?
r0ndr4s on
Like people say they’re in for the money but there’s no money to be made if you’re making everyone your enemy.
Idk how they fail to see that the win-win scenario for them would be to help Ukraine even more and then just take the resources from Russia. No one is gonna stop them. But they’re too dumb for that.
cyrixlord on
oh look, it’s donald chamberlain.
haxic on
EU leaders are too weak too make sure EU is a part of it. I’m so disappointed with EU/European nations
ayeamaye on
Bullshit. No Peace talks without all vested interests. As the orange skidmark said himself Europe has more to lose than the US. Without Europe ruzzia and the US will gang up on Ukraine.
If anything the US should sit out as they have all ready revealed their intention of giving Putin everything he wants.
Beneficial-Pitch-430 on
And is Europe not involved because trump doesn’t want to show how much he’s giving to Putin?
Key-Lie-364 on
The US is free to talk to Russia about Ukraine all it likes but, hate to break the news.
Europe and Ukraine have their own agency and Europe’s economy is about the size of the US’s.
We won’t be rolled so easily by JD Vance and his Thunberg small dick energy @ munich.
Commercial_Ad_3687 on
Ukraine isn’t either…
MykolaivBear on
Fuck these talks.
among_apes on
This is the point… make them an offer they kind of have to refuse…
shoot for the moon, if they say yes you made them bend over and you also got half of Ukraine’s rare earth elements.
If they say no you work without them and say you tried but they were unwilling.
Ukraine’s defense is not only based on a good proportion of US arm shipments, but also US intelligence. There’s a lot of behind-the-scenes things that I’m sure will change if they just decide to stop giving Ukraine timely info
kmoonster on
Reject it. Trump is an idiot, but he does understand if you push back.
EchidnaWhich1304 on
That’s not a peace deal it’s the puppets meeting the masters to find out the orders
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yeah that’s now things are moving so fast god knows what the position will be tomorrow or even in an hour. Europe is pissed at the US and just may take matters into their own hands we will see how it all falls out further down the road.
and what does Ukraine think of it?
>*Ukraine will never accept deals made behind our backs without our*
*involvement. And the same rule should apply to all of Europe. No*
*decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine. No decisions about Europe*
*without Europe*
Munich 1938 and this time even worse than that because back then Chamberlain and Daladier weren’t traitors of the western values and friends of dictators like Donald Quisling Trump.
Cause Trump already made a Deal with Putin and now EU would only hinder it
It’s impossible to take the Trump administration seriously. It’s evident that they are only in it for the money that comes from Ukrainian resources while getting to sell massive amounts of arms to EU nations. Classic Trumpian economics where everything is a zero sum game.
We’re getting close to them declaring war on us. & by them I mean the US & by us I mean Europe.
Gangsters all of the US Gov.
Slava Ukraini!
It just shows trump has absolutly no idea what he is doing
This will quickly change once the EU introduces some nice regulations that will target the largest US companies.
US officials are on their way to Saudi Arabia NOW.
It’s going to be very interesting when the US and Russia announce a “deal” and everyone just ignores them. Then what? Trump will definitely want to remove all sanctions on Russia but Europe will not. Does he sanction Europe to force them? Do they tell him to fuck off and ban trade in dollars? Looking forward to the collapse of the world economy. Should be a fun time.
Well Europe has had nearly three years to help Ukraine end this war with a victory. Demonstrate to pootin that his ideas about bringing the band back together are not acceptable. And Europe has chosen to not do so. I am not even going into pre-2022 Europe where countries were sending good hard cash to pootin for energy. Letting pootin build up his army on the backs of Europe. Europe chose to just give Ukraine just enough to help Ukraine lose slower. By doing this, pootin must pay a higher price. And it seems to me that all Europe wants to do it make the price for Ukraine so high that pootin has to wait a long time before he can regroup and go after the next swath of land. This way all the current leaders are out of office and have just kicked the hard decision down the road. I will also remind everyone that Trump was right about warning Europe NATO about all the money they were sending to pootin.
Send in fucking EU troops already damn it
So the US won’t offer any security guarantees to Ukraine, and any peacekeeping will be the responsibility of European nations but the Europeans aren’t allowed to be part of the deliberations?
Sounds like a recipe to fuck the Ukrainians over royally.
Cheeseberder-eating orange surrender monkey.
They should at least be observing so they can tell the American people the truth as bozo in charge won’t.
I just signed a treaty with Brasil. Neither country sent an envoy to sign it, but I did!
Then there are no peace talks.
Why does Putin have this power over Trump? This is how American see it. Do Europeans have any alternative theories?
The most obvious explanation is blackmail, as some have speculated. Others suggest that Putin, rumored to be the world’s richest man, commands Trump’s admiration due to his wealth. A third possibility is that Trump envies the power of dictators who can throw people out of windows without consequence—something he may aspire to emulate in the future.
Maybe if the reason was uncovered, it could help Ukraine?
Europe would certainly not be so worried about not being involved if the US had a capable leadership and not someone as incompetent as Trump.
Well good luck with that dickheads, Ukrainians are no fools, they know what this would mean. No matter how you slice it EU is much bigger supporter of Ukraine than US ever was.
Fck these talks. Keep fighting
Europe needs to come up with it’s own plan then.
I’m starting to get the impression that Ukraine will just fuck off the whole process.
Trump and his cronies should be arrested immediately and charged with treason. Are there no sober-thinking people in the US?
Like people say they’re in for the money but there’s no money to be made if you’re making everyone your enemy.
Idk how they fail to see that the win-win scenario for them would be to help Ukraine even more and then just take the resources from Russia. No one is gonna stop them. But they’re too dumb for that.
oh look, it’s donald chamberlain.
EU leaders are too weak too make sure EU is a part of it. I’m so disappointed with EU/European nations
Bullshit. No Peace talks without all vested interests. As the orange skidmark said himself Europe has more to lose than the US. Without Europe ruzzia and the US will gang up on Ukraine.
If anything the US should sit out as they have all ready revealed their intention of giving Putin everything he wants.
And is Europe not involved because trump doesn’t want to show how much he’s giving to Putin?
The US is free to talk to Russia about Ukraine all it likes but, hate to break the news.
Europe and Ukraine have their own agency and Europe’s economy is about the size of the US’s.
We won’t be rolled so easily by JD Vance and his Thunberg small dick energy @ munich.
Ukraine isn’t either…
Fuck these talks.
This is the point… make them an offer they kind of have to refuse…
shoot for the moon, if they say yes you made them bend over and you also got half of Ukraine’s rare earth elements.
If they say no you work without them and say you tried but they were unwilling.
Ukraine’s defense is not only based on a good proportion of US arm shipments, but also US intelligence. There’s a lot of behind-the-scenes things that I’m sure will change if they just decide to stop giving Ukraine timely info
Reject it. Trump is an idiot, but he does understand if you push back.
That’s not a peace deal it’s the puppets meeting the masters to find out the orders
Ukraine and Russia are in Europe dipshit