L’esercito europeo proposto da Zelensky non accadrà “, afferma il ministro degli Esteri polacco
https://kyivindependent.com/zelenskys-proposed-army-of-europe-will-not-happen-says-polish-minister/
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L’esercito europeo proposto da Zelensky non accadrà “, afferma il ministro degli Esteri polacco
https://kyivindependent.com/zelenskys-proposed-army-of-europe-will-not-happen-says-polish-minister/
di KI_official
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Clickbait title. He means that people don’t get that forming army for Europe is impossible, because it’s not united entity. But they’re forming international brigades, and expanding current Army’s.
We should definitely introduce a European “emergency command structure” that can be activated in case of an attack, so that the 29 (I guess?) single armies can immediately act as a joint force. There should also be a central “defense coordination office” that implements and updates this command structure, i.p. member states should report their military capabilities to that entity so that they can plan things and it should also coordinate periodic, let’s say bi-annual, exercises at the Eastern front.
>Sikorski also said Poland would not put troops on the ground in Ukraine.
Neither would anyone else. As though someone expected it.
I think it’s a mistake to not built a unified army because it would also prevent mutual aggression
european army doesnt make any sense at this point. what we need is a NATO-like structure of command and logistics thats not NATO
They should give the US the mineral rights that we asked for.
We are the only people who can secure them and extract them safely and they will benefit the reconstruction of Ukraine as well as all of the west as they try to move to sustainable energy.
It’s a slap in the face that they refused to do so after the American taxpayers have paid three times more per capita than anyone else in the world to save Ukraine. This partnership needs to be fair and just – those mineral rights are very symbolic and tells us all we need to know about our allies.
We’ll see. The European Union stands at a crossroads reminiscent of 1938, when great powers decided the fate of smaller nations behind closed doors. The notion that the U.S. and Russia would negotiate peace in Ukraine alone, without Europe, without Ukraine itself, is a historic insult and a dangerous return to the “might makes right” mentality championed by both Putin and Trump. Europe must claim its place now or accept becoming a footnote in history.
The EU itself helped create this predicament. For decades, Europe prioritized comfort over strategic autonomy. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, it lived under the illusion of the *”end of history.”* The result? Dependence on Russian gas while Putin poisoned dissidents and annexed Georgia (2008) and Crimea (2014). We expanded the Union to 27 members but failed to include an exit clause for demagogues like Orbán, who since 2022 has blocked €18 billion in EU aid for Ukraine, a country he dismisses as “non-European.” Meanwhile, Washington funded the lion’s share of NATO’s defense budget. Not out of love for us, but to maintain its own hegemony—while Europe remained an infantilized dependent. We outsourced our security to NATO’s goodwill, even as the U.S. openly cultivated an isolationist tumor since 2016(!). European security was an afterthought. And now we realize: we are not the priority. We are collateral.
The conclusion is clear: European pacifism was not a virtue. it was just suicide on a delay.
Yet this is not the time for defeatism. The EU remains the most successful peace project of modern times. Since 2022, Brussels has pumped tens of billions into Ukraine, more than the U.S. – and trained 40,000 Ukrainian soldiers. Our sanctions have strangled Moscow’s economy. With a €16 trillion market, we shattered Putin’s energy blackmail: our reliance on Russian gas plummeted from 40% to under 10% in just two years!
The EU is still the world’s largest economic bloc. Our economy surpasses that of the U.S. or China. Our soft power, from climate agreements to human rights—remains a moral compass for other democratic countries. It is Europe, not America, keeping Ukraine afloat militarily and humanitarianly, as U.S. aid stalls.
Europe’s choice is binary. At the emergency summit tomorrow, only one message must resonate: **those unwilling to stand together will be left behind**. Hungary’s obstruction (blocking €50 billion in EU aid for Ukraine) is not “diversity”, it is betrayal. If the EU moves forward only with nations committed to strategic solidarity, a “EU 2.0” of France, Germany, Poland, the Baltic states, and other principled partners, we forge a force capable of resisting both Putin’s imperialism and Trump’s transactional chaos.
This is not alarmism. In 1938, the West sold out Czechoslovakia for “peace in our time”. A year later, Europe was in ruins. In 2014, we dismissed Putin’s Crimea invasion as “no real threat”, now Russian tanks stand in Kharkiv. History is a ruthless teacher: those who refuse to listen will burn.
We either forge a federation, a United States of Europe with one military, one currency, one voice—or we become the battlefield of the 21st century. NATO is a zombie. The U.S. is an unreliable lover. Only a Europe that can fight for itself will survive. We have the market power (€16 trillion GDP), the technological prowess, and, yes, the moral duty to support Ukraine. But to do so, the EU must overcome its fears: federalize, invest in defense, and **isolate authoritarian member states**. Only then can we fulfill Jean Monnet’s vision: *”Europe will be forged in crises, and will be the sum of the solutions adopted for those crises.”*
Most important excerpts:
In response to a question about creating a unified European armed forces, Sikorski said that “we should be careful with this term because people understand different things,” Reuters reported.
“If you understand by it the unification of national armies, it will not happen,” Sikorski told TVP World. “But I have been an advocate for Europe, for the European Union, to develop its own defense capabilities.”
Sikorski also said Poland would not put troops on the ground in Ukraine. “Poland’s duty to NATO is to protect the eastern flank, i.e. its own territory.”
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Basically it’s a sign that despite the fiery calls of Redditors for the EU to wake up, federalize, and form a unified army, it is not happening. EU leaders, and a majority of European voters, really don’t like short-term sacrifices that would disrupt the status quo. The reality is that the threat of Putin is not perceived in the same manner across Europe. Countries like Spain, Portugal, and Belgium are not feeling threatened enough to boost their military spending to 2% of their GDP; the timeline for Spain and Portugal is to achieve 2% in 2029.
Also worth noting: [Russian defence spending exceeds all of Europe combined, study finds.](https://www.ft.com/content/93d44b5a-a087-4059-9891-f18c77efca4b). Among European countries, there is an imbalance of contribution between Eastern countries who feel threatened by Russia and Western countries who think the problem is so far away from home.
A EU army can’t work. Hungary will veto everything…
Seems that while we’re in a team game Poland plays more and more solo.
After reading all comments Yesterday on reddit how this is great idea and how they gave ideas how this would work.
I would never in my crazy mind thought that some country in EU would disagree with such great proposal.
Most European countries won’t find the volunteers they need and are reluctant to implement the draft
Well a European army in the sense of all member states own militaries are dissolved or combined into one entity sure. That’s not realistic right now (somefucking how but whatever). What is realistic is a European army that is worked on and invested in and equipped and maintained whilst the member states also retain their own militaries. Unfortunately there is far too much distrust STILL within the Union for the former to happen.
Poland is playing the long game. They understand that a multilateral army not responding cohesively to a unified command center is an easy prey for an organized invader. If you combine the fact with the logistical nightmare it would be to equip and arm different divisions of the EU force in its current situation, with very different suppliers, manufacturers and needs, it’s easy to understand that Europe is ripe for an invasion without the protection and coordination of the US Command and Control center.
If no effort is made to build a cohesive a European Union Force, with common suppliers – if possible with European origin – built from the ground up, and thinking on the next 50 years, with a unified Control Command, then I guess that Poland in the meanwhile will prefer to reinforce their own forces, giving their current neighbors.
The idea of an European force, and the following gtfo from nato, is probably the best idea since this crazy situation. And ofc, being a good idea, will be instant dropped by our awful leaders
Title is Hella misleading. He is specifying that a European army would not be a unification of all national armies. I thought that was a given ofc but as his quotes said it can be misleading for the public. And we need to be careful with this kind of stuff, as we can see from this very title, misinformation can be done easily, moreover on incomplete info
Of course not.
Poles are not going to be told by the Irish and Dutch where to fight on die.
The only way it is possible is if conscription makes western Europe participate, fight and die.
You’re right Europe created this predicament.
It’s going to be impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Best strategy now is to make peace.
Actually we do have European defense forces.
The Frontex for EU border control and the RDF for military emergencies.
In my opinion the RDF is actually an EU combat force. But then it should be upgraded from 5000 soldiers to at least 100.000.
Bait tilte, mods remove it, quote from the article:
>”If you understand by it the unification of national armies, it will not happen,” Sikorski told TVP World. “But I have been an advocate for Europe, for the European Union, to develop its own defense capabilities.”