Text: A few weeks ago, I warned that the second Trump administration might be squandering the tolerance and good will that Washington had long received from the world’s major democracies. Instead of seeing the United States as a mostly positive force in world affairs, these states might now “have to worry that the United States is actively malevolent.” That column was written before Vice President J.D. Vance gave his confrontational speech at the Munich Security Conference, before President Donald Trump blamed Ukraine for starting the war with Russia, and before U.S. officials appeared to preemptively offer Russia almost everything it wants before negotiations on Ukraine were even underway. The reaction of mainstream European observers was neatly summed up by Gideon Rachman in the Financial Times: “[T]he Trump administration’s political ambitions for Europe mean that, for now, America is also an adversary.”
Is this view correct? A skeptic might recall that there have been serious rifts in the transatlantic partnership on many prior occasions: over Suez in 1956, over nuclear strategy and Vietnam in the 1960s, over the Euromissiles issue in the 1980s, and during the Kosovo war in 1999. The Iraq war in 2003 was yet another low-water mark between Washington and much of Europe. The United States did not hesitate to act unilaterally on numerous occasions, even when its allies’ interests were adversely affected, as Richard Nixon did when he took the United States off the gold standard in 1971 or as Joe Biden did when he signed the protectionist Inflation Reduction Act and the United States forced European firms to stop some high-tech exports to China. But few Europeans or Canadians believed the United States was deliberately trying to harm them; they believed that Washington was genuinely committed to their security and understood that its own security and prosperity was tied to their own. They were right, which made it much easier for the United States to win their support when necessary.
For most European leaders—and certainly for those in attendance at Munich last week—the situation feels very different today. For the first time since 1949, they have valid reasons to believe that the president of the United States is not just indifferent to NATO and dismissive of Europe’s leaders, but actively hostile to most European countries. Instead of thinking of the nations of Europe as America’s most important partners, Trump appears to have switched sides and sees President Vladimir Putin’s Russia as a better long-term bet. Speculation about Trump’s affinity with Putin has been swirling for years; those sympathies now appear to be guiding U.S. policy.
I know what you’re thinking: Isn’t Trump just doing what realists like you have been suggesting? Haven’t you been saying that Ukraine has no plausible path to regaining its lost territory and that prolonging the war is just prolonging suffering to no good purpose? Didn’t you also argue that basing a European security order on open-ended NATO expansion was a dangerous pipe dream? Instead of pushing Russia and China closer together, doesn’t it make good strategic sense to drive a wedge between them and fashion a European order that reduces Moscow’s incentives to cause trouble? Indeed, wouldn’t a better relationship with Russia make Europe safer in the long run? And if disrupting the comfortable transatlantic consensus convinces the nations of Europe to get their act together and rebuild some real defense capability, then the United States won’t have to keep protecting them and can focus more effort on China. In this view, Trump isn’t Europe’s enemy; he’s just dispensing some tough love to a complacent continent and following good realist logic.
If only that were true. In fact, Trump, Vance, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and other administration officials have gone well beyond the long-standing disputes about burden-sharing, the need for a more sensible division of labor within the alliance, or the long-overdue reassessment about how to handle the war in Ukraine and relations with Russia. Their aim is to fundamentally transform relations with long-standing U.S. allies, rewrite the global rulebook, and, if possible, remake Europe along MAGA lines. That agenda is openly hostile to the existing European order.
First, Trump’s repeated threats to impose costly tariffs on close allies either to coerce concessions on other issues or solely because they are running trade surpluses with the United States is hardly an act of friendship. Serious trade disputes have occurred in the past, of course, and prior U.S. presidents have sometimes played hardball with our allies on these issues. But they have not done so capriciously or used transparently dubious “national security” rationales to justify them. They have also recognized that inflicting deliberate economic harm on one’s allies makes it harder, not easier, for them to contribute to the common defense. Past administrations have also stuck to the deals they negotiated, a concept that seems utterly alien to Trump.
Second, not only has Trump made it clear that he thinks great powers can and should take things they want, but he has made no secret of the fact that he covets some of our allies’ possessions. No wonder Trump is not troubled if Russia ends up with 20 percent of Ukraine, given that he wants all of Greenland; may reoccupy the Panama Canal Zone; thinks Canada should give up its independence and become the 51st state; and raves about taking over the Gaza Strip, expelling its population, and then building some hotels. Some of these musings might seem utterly fanciful, but the worldview they reveal is something no foreign leader can afford to ignore.
Third, and most important, Trump, Elon Musk, Vance, and the rest of the MAGA team are openly backing illiberal forces in Europe. In effect, they are trying to impose a far-reaching regime change throughout Europe, albeit without using military force. The signs are unmistakable: Hungary’s Viktor Orban is a welcome guest at Mar-a-Lago. Vance met withAlice Weidel, co-chair of the far-right Alternative for Germany party, while he was in Munich, but not with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, and his declaration that the main challenge to Europe was “the threat from within” was an unveiled attack on the continent’s political order. (It was beyond ironic for Vance to criticize Europeans for anti-democratic behavior, given his refusal to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election or to condemn the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. But I digress.) Not to be outdone, Musk has been spewing his own false and hateful accusations at various European leaders, defending far-right criminals like Tommy Robinson, and interviewing Weidel and expressing his own support for her party.
The GQP has been defunding education since Reagan, and the US now ranks 125th in literacy.
toolkitxx on
For those never reading the entire thing or waiting for tldr; – if you dont read anything, than read and re-read this part at least:
*’It is also worth remembering that the initial push for European economic integration occurred in the 1950s, when European leaders believed the United States was going to withdraw its forces from the continent in the not-too-distant future and turn responsibility for European security back over to these states. Integrating key industries such as coal and steel was thus a first step to building sufficient economic and political unity to enable these states to stand up to the Soviet Union without direct U.S. assistance. The United States ultimately decided to keep its forces on the continent and the European Economic Community (and later EU) took on more openly economic and political objectives, but the early history reminds us that the prospect of having to go it alone was once a powerful driving force behind greater European cooperation.’*
This is spot on the most important thing in the article and people should really inhale this.
According-Buyer6688 on
That’s why you need to ditch US made products and choose European!
Join r/BuyFromEU and join the mission
ClitoIlNero on
Let’s say that having Europe as an enemy is not like having Afghanistan as an enemy…assuming they know where it is. What I wonder is: how many American soldiers and veterans will appreciate this move, betraying their allies? It will be a flood of volunteers from all over the world
Dion33333 on
Its clear, that they want to destroy the EU, its big competitor for them.
old-bot-ng on
We don’t understand the scale of this war. US bet is that Europe will lose.
Street-Yak5852 on
Europeans, it’s time for us to stand together.
pafagaukurinn on
Is Europe going to stop buying American LNG now, sanction American companies and so on?
chodgson625 on
As a British taxpayer I would urgently like clarification on the following
The United States cannot immediately deactivate the fleet of F-35Bs they’ve sold us – apparently- but they could become inoperable if software updates stop coming from the US. How much time is there between updates?*
Similarly, our nuclear deterrent is entirely independent of US control – apparently – but the missiles require periodic maintenance by US technicians. When do they become inoperable without any US help?
Those wondering why the rest of the UK forces are so threadbare, especially Americans, should be aware how much of our defence budget is dependent on US voters not electing a Russian asset to be President.
* those F-35Bs are the the centrepiece of our Billion £ carrier fleet. 10% of their design and development is British, and thanks to US voters (and non voters) they now are about as reliable as a chocolate teapot
freza223 on
Proposal for the EU to join BRICS wasn’t on my bingo card.
nazgut on
dump dollar as reserve currency
spilvippe on
1) boycott US products 2) reduce US government bonds 3) phasing out USD in all EU’s international trade
Whatsthedealioio on
No the MAGA’s are the enemy.
LilleroSenzaLallera on
The USA should have ALWAYS, atleast post cold war, been seen as a dangerous force and our over-dependence on them, their military system and their technological monopoly as, at the very least, a necessary evil of which we should have freed ourselves increasingly.
Not confrontationally, but by simply developing, supporting and implementing sovereign alternatives and not just lulling ourselves in the delusion that Uncle Sam is and forever will be our good and bestest friend.
For years those who said it have been scorned as russian/chinese agents, no matter how many signals of USA actual or potential malevolence we were receiving.
Now we are here watching as Europe is with is ass naked in front of Russia and USA controlled by a russian-bootlicking muppet that doesn’t care about pretending to be nice
Immediate-Aspect-601 on
They are not just an enemy. They are a new fascist regime. They are scarier than fascist Germany. They have no ideology, they are just evil and they want to destroy everything, annihilate and build nothing, their best world is the one in which they can humiliate and mock different groups of people. Look at MAGA, they are moral freaks, they exist on the principle of “the worse, the better”, if Musk, Trump and worm-eaten Kennedy close medicine and hospitals, these idiots will rejoice and support anything that will harm themselves and their families. This regime cannot be stopped by posters and pictures.
And Europe must leave NATO, otherwise it will be an instrument of blackmail and interference in politics with an attempt to change the government in Europe of not the same crazy fascists as themselves.
MAGA must be destroyed.
DodSkonvirke on
No, but War Plan Red though
polevole on
Boycott US goods and services.
/r/BoycottUnitedStates/
Got_Kittens on
“I am anti immigration and generally am in agreement with some of the things said by afd etc” Sorry OP you lost me there. Nope.
James420May on
Just think what difference 1,6% of voters can have. And 35+% who did not vote at all. Go vote, vote for democracy!
Electronic_Aioli332 on
Just give the americans living among you grace. Many probably fled for the reasons and so do not align with the current admin so please do not paint all with the same brush.
Common_Brick_8222 on
Who could possibly have thought at least 5 years ago that the US would become the EU’s enemy? But now thanks to Trump is the case. EU should now become the new power and stop relying only on the US will.
Aromatic-Deer3886 on
They’re Canadas enemy too
RazzmatazzLanky7923 on
🇨🇳 🤝 🇪🇺
They support our greatest enemy, we shall form closer economic ties with their biggest rival
The EU has never had “bad” relations with china. It’s all lead by the US. Given they are literally betraying us, I say fuck them and let’s focus on minimising trade with usa and increasing it with China. Let’s see who’s economy comes out on top in the end
Jasonstackhouse111 on
Canadian here and we see the US as more of an enemy every day. Canadians have realized that we should have been less reliant on one nation and should have been diversifying our relationships for decades. It’s biting us hard now. It’s hard though given our geographic relationship.
The scary thing isn’t just Trump and the chaotic bullshit coming out of the US daily. It’s Putin. The fact that he’s able to have the US do his military bidding now is terrifying. This puts the wolf at the door no matter where in the world someone is located. Canada, Mexico and all of Europe now butt up against the enemy.
The only potential saving grace is that Musk might completely gut US defence spending. I think his game is to take trillions and trillions out of the US budget and he has a plan to transfer it to himself.
His net worth is the be all and end all to him, and having that number tied to stocks makes it too variable. His plan is to drain the US treasury of trillions.
The US might never recover. Fascism has deep roots there now and religious ideology has a huge power base. I’m not sure if the best analogy for the US is Nazi Germany or 1979 Iran. Or some fucked up combination of both?
sant2060 on
They want to break up EU into smaller right-wing/fascist run states they can control and exploit,having a deal with Russia doing the same in their “sphere of influence”.Dictators dont like 450 mil people living in democracy and relative wellbeing.
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Text: A few weeks ago, I warned that the second Trump administration might be squandering the tolerance and good will that Washington had long received from the world’s major democracies. Instead of seeing the United States as a mostly positive force in world affairs, these states might now “have to worry that the United States is actively malevolent.” That column was written before Vice President J.D. Vance gave his confrontational speech at the Munich Security Conference, before President Donald Trump blamed Ukraine for starting the war with Russia, and before U.S. officials appeared to preemptively offer Russia almost everything it wants before negotiations on Ukraine were even underway. The reaction of mainstream European observers was neatly summed up by Gideon Rachman in the Financial Times: “[T]he Trump administration’s political ambitions for Europe mean that, for now, America is also an adversary.”
Is this view correct? A skeptic might recall that there have been serious rifts in the transatlantic partnership on many prior occasions: over Suez in 1956, over nuclear strategy and Vietnam in the 1960s, over the Euromissiles issue in the 1980s, and during the Kosovo war in 1999. The Iraq war in 2003 was yet another low-water mark between Washington and much of Europe. The United States did not hesitate to act unilaterally on numerous occasions, even when its allies’ interests were adversely affected, as Richard Nixon did when he took the United States off the gold standard in 1971 or as Joe Biden did when he signed the protectionist Inflation Reduction Act and the United States forced European firms to stop some high-tech exports to China. But few Europeans or Canadians believed the United States was deliberately trying to harm them; they believed that Washington was genuinely committed to their security and understood that its own security and prosperity was tied to their own. They were right, which made it much easier for the United States to win their support when necessary.
For most European leaders—and certainly for those in attendance at Munich last week—the situation feels very different today. For the first time since 1949, they have valid reasons to believe that the president of the United States is not just indifferent to NATO and dismissive of Europe’s leaders, but actively hostile to most European countries. Instead of thinking of the nations of Europe as America’s most important partners, Trump appears to have switched sides and sees President Vladimir Putin’s Russia as a better long-term bet. Speculation about Trump’s affinity with Putin has been swirling for years; those sympathies now appear to be guiding U.S. policy.
I know what you’re thinking: Isn’t Trump just doing what realists like you have been suggesting? Haven’t you been saying that Ukraine has no plausible path to regaining its lost territory and that prolonging the war is just prolonging suffering to no good purpose? Didn’t you also argue that basing a European security order on open-ended NATO expansion was a dangerous pipe dream? Instead of pushing Russia and China closer together, doesn’t it make good strategic sense to drive a wedge between them and fashion a European order that reduces Moscow’s incentives to cause trouble? Indeed, wouldn’t a better relationship with Russia make Europe safer in the long run? And if disrupting the comfortable transatlantic consensus convinces the nations of Europe to get their act together and rebuild some real defense capability, then the United States won’t have to keep protecting them and can focus more effort on China. In this view, Trump isn’t Europe’s enemy; he’s just dispensing some tough love to a complacent continent and following good realist logic.
If only that were true. In fact, Trump, Vance, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and other administration officials have gone well beyond the long-standing disputes about burden-sharing, the need for a more sensible division of labor within the alliance, or the long-overdue reassessment about how to handle the war in Ukraine and relations with Russia. Their aim is to fundamentally transform relations with long-standing U.S. allies, rewrite the global rulebook, and, if possible, remake Europe along MAGA lines. That agenda is openly hostile to the existing European order.
First, Trump’s repeated threats to impose costly tariffs on close allies either to coerce concessions on other issues or solely because they are running trade surpluses with the United States is hardly an act of friendship. Serious trade disputes have occurred in the past, of course, and prior U.S. presidents have sometimes played hardball with our allies on these issues. But they have not done so capriciously or used transparently dubious “national security” rationales to justify them. They have also recognized that inflicting deliberate economic harm on one’s allies makes it harder, not easier, for them to contribute to the common defense. Past administrations have also stuck to the deals they negotiated, a concept that seems utterly alien to Trump.
Second, not only has Trump made it clear that he thinks great powers can and should take things they want, but he has made no secret of the fact that he covets some of our allies’ possessions. No wonder Trump is not troubled if Russia ends up with 20 percent of Ukraine, given that he wants all of Greenland; may reoccupy the Panama Canal Zone; thinks Canada should give up its independence and become the 51st state; and raves about taking over the Gaza Strip, expelling its population, and then building some hotels. Some of these musings might seem utterly fanciful, but the worldview they reveal is something no foreign leader can afford to ignore.
Third, and most important, Trump, Elon Musk, Vance, and the rest of the MAGA team are openly backing illiberal forces in Europe. In effect, they are trying to impose a far-reaching regime change throughout Europe, albeit without using military force. The signs are unmistakable: Hungary’s Viktor Orban is a welcome guest at Mar-a-Lago. Vance met withAlice Weidel, co-chair of the far-right Alternative for Germany party, while he was in Munich, but not with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, and his declaration that the main challenge to Europe was “the threat from within” was an unveiled attack on the continent’s political order. (It was beyond ironic for Vance to criticize Europeans for anti-democratic behavior, given his refusal to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election or to condemn the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. But I digress.) Not to be outdone, Musk has been spewing his own false and hateful accusations at various European leaders, defending far-right criminals like Tommy Robinson, and interviewing Weidel and expressing his own support for her party.
A lack of a proper education is everyone’s enemy, and [54% of Americans read at or below a 6th grade leve](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/)l.
The GQP has been defunding education since Reagan, and the US now ranks 125th in literacy.
For those never reading the entire thing or waiting for tldr; – if you dont read anything, than read and re-read this part at least:
*’It is also worth remembering that the initial push for European economic integration occurred in the 1950s, when European leaders believed the United States was going to withdraw its forces from the continent in the not-too-distant future and turn responsibility for European security back over to these states. Integrating key industries such as coal and steel was thus a first step to building sufficient economic and political unity to enable these states to stand up to the Soviet Union without direct U.S. assistance. The United States ultimately decided to keep its forces on the continent and the European Economic Community (and later EU) took on more openly economic and political objectives, but the early history reminds us that the prospect of having to go it alone was once a powerful driving force behind greater European cooperation.’*
This is spot on the most important thing in the article and people should really inhale this.
That’s why you need to ditch US made products and choose European!
Join r/BuyFromEU and join the mission
Let’s say that having Europe as an enemy is not like having Afghanistan as an enemy…assuming they know where it is. What I wonder is: how many American soldiers and veterans will appreciate this move, betraying their allies? It will be a flood of volunteers from all over the world
Its clear, that they want to destroy the EU, its big competitor for them.
We don’t understand the scale of this war. US bet is that Europe will lose.
Europeans, it’s time for us to stand together.
Is Europe going to stop buying American LNG now, sanction American companies and so on?
As a British taxpayer I would urgently like clarification on the following
The United States cannot immediately deactivate the fleet of F-35Bs they’ve sold us – apparently- but they could become inoperable if software updates stop coming from the US. How much time is there between updates?*
Similarly, our nuclear deterrent is entirely independent of US control – apparently – but the missiles require periodic maintenance by US technicians. When do they become inoperable without any US help?
Those wondering why the rest of the UK forces are so threadbare, especially Americans, should be aware how much of our defence budget is dependent on US voters not electing a Russian asset to be President.
* those F-35Bs are the the centrepiece of our Billion £ carrier fleet. 10% of their design and development is British, and thanks to US voters (and non voters) they now are about as reliable as a chocolate teapot
Proposal for the EU to join BRICS wasn’t on my bingo card.
dump dollar as reserve currency
1) boycott US products 2) reduce US government bonds 3) phasing out USD in all EU’s international trade
No the MAGA’s are the enemy.
The USA should have ALWAYS, atleast post cold war, been seen as a dangerous force and our over-dependence on them, their military system and their technological monopoly as, at the very least, a necessary evil of which we should have freed ourselves increasingly.
Not confrontationally, but by simply developing, supporting and implementing sovereign alternatives and not just lulling ourselves in the delusion that Uncle Sam is and forever will be our good and bestest friend.
For years those who said it have been scorned as russian/chinese agents, no matter how many signals of USA actual or potential malevolence we were receiving.
Now we are here watching as Europe is with is ass naked in front of Russia and USA controlled by a russian-bootlicking muppet that doesn’t care about pretending to be nice
They are not just an enemy. They are a new fascist regime. They are scarier than fascist Germany. They have no ideology, they are just evil and they want to destroy everything, annihilate and build nothing, their best world is the one in which they can humiliate and mock different groups of people. Look at MAGA, they are moral freaks, they exist on the principle of “the worse, the better”, if Musk, Trump and worm-eaten Kennedy close medicine and hospitals, these idiots will rejoice and support anything that will harm themselves and their families. This regime cannot be stopped by posters and pictures.
And Europe must leave NATO, otherwise it will be an instrument of blackmail and interference in politics with an attempt to change the government in Europe of not the same crazy fascists as themselves.
MAGA must be destroyed.
No, but War Plan Red though
Boycott US goods and services.
/r/BoycottUnitedStates/
“I am anti immigration and generally am in agreement with some of the things said by afd etc” Sorry OP you lost me there. Nope.
Just think what difference 1,6% of voters can have. And 35+% who did not vote at all. Go vote, vote for democracy!
Just give the americans living among you grace. Many probably fled for the reasons and so do not align with the current admin so please do not paint all with the same brush.
Who could possibly have thought at least 5 years ago that the US would become the EU’s enemy? But now thanks to Trump is the case. EU should now become the new power and stop relying only on the US will.
They’re Canadas enemy too
🇨🇳 🤝 🇪🇺
They support our greatest enemy, we shall form closer economic ties with their biggest rival
The EU has never had “bad” relations with china. It’s all lead by the US. Given they are literally betraying us, I say fuck them and let’s focus on minimising trade with usa and increasing it with China. Let’s see who’s economy comes out on top in the end
Canadian here and we see the US as more of an enemy every day. Canadians have realized that we should have been less reliant on one nation and should have been diversifying our relationships for decades. It’s biting us hard now. It’s hard though given our geographic relationship.
The scary thing isn’t just Trump and the chaotic bullshit coming out of the US daily. It’s Putin. The fact that he’s able to have the US do his military bidding now is terrifying. This puts the wolf at the door no matter where in the world someone is located. Canada, Mexico and all of Europe now butt up against the enemy.
The only potential saving grace is that Musk might completely gut US defence spending. I think his game is to take trillions and trillions out of the US budget and he has a plan to transfer it to himself.
His net worth is the be all and end all to him, and having that number tied to stocks makes it too variable. His plan is to drain the US treasury of trillions.
The US might never recover. Fascism has deep roots there now and religious ideology has a huge power base. I’m not sure if the best analogy for the US is Nazi Germany or 1979 Iran. Or some fucked up combination of both?
They want to break up EU into smaller right-wing/fascist run states they can control and exploit,having a deal with Russia doing the same in their “sphere of influence”.Dictators dont like 450 mil people living in democracy and relative wellbeing.
The American government is anyway.