Il Regno Unito deve prepararsi alla guerra e riportare la coscrizione, avverte l’ex comandante della NATO
UK must prepare for war and to bring back conscription, warns ex-Nato commander
di blue__nick
Il Regno Unito deve prepararsi alla guerra e riportare la coscrizione, avverte l’ex comandante della NATO
UK must prepare for war and to bring back conscription, warns ex-Nato commander
di blue__nick
33 commenti
How it started: “Russia is finished, it doesn’t stand a chance”
How it ended: “Britain must bring back forced military service”
British army has failed to reach replacement recruitment targets for nearly a decade, the armed forces are already undermanned and this is at peacetime.
Good luck deploying troops. Will do wonders for the already unpopular Starmer to have the British armed forced minced in a month
Conscription will return to Germany as well, it is a major factor in the upcoming elections. Many militaries will have to return to cold war policies, unfortunately.
Military rearmament is obviously necessary but I don’t see how bringing back conscription doesn’t unleash a wave of anti-militarist, anti-NATO sentiment the likes of which Britain cannot recover from.
Any asylum seekers interested?
The argument about conscription doesn’t make much sense. Modern warfare is highly technological; just up the technology.
Whilst rearmament is clearly necessary let’s keep some perspective. Conscription in the UK was abolished in 1963, we didn’t have it throughout the Cold War with the huge threat from the Warsaw Pact. Russia is dangerous, but they are not anything like as powerful as the Warsaw Pact, not the Soviet Union nor even the Russian Empire.
We don’t need to knee jerk, we just need to take defence seriously. British forces are always going to be more focused on the naval aspects of a war anyway, we’re not going to be fielding massive armies too.
Conscripts don’t really fight all that well, so that is a last resort. We can more easily staff our armed forces by making sure it’s worth doing, has ongoing benefits after and our forces get looked after to the highest standard. Fat chance of that with this government though.
It is not without reason that billionaires are sounding the alarm about overpopulation..
Can someone explain to me how conscription is useful in modern warfare, where technological supremacy and logistics seem to be the deciding factor instead of raw personnel numbers? The USA does not have conscription yet maintains the largest and strongest army ever.
Conscription works in a high-trust society that has been running it for a long time. I doubt it’d work for the UK.
Just create a more relaxed volunteer force than the reservist forces ,who could be called up I’m sure more people would sign up.Also offer early release from prison for middle to low grade offenders to join the regular army. Conscription is for when the shit really hits the fan.
Hahaha haha oh you serious? Hahaha.. government better get used to be told to piss off
Conscription is stupid and an affront to European ideals. We would be shitting into our own mouths, as we say in Slovakia, if we restored it.
We need to increase defense spending and further integrate our European armed forces, and we’d be able to defeat Russia without forced slavery. We have much larger economies and more manpower than that shithole, we don’t need conscription, we just need better and more effective organization.
No way in hell am I dying for Starmer lmao.
Fighting for one’s country might have been appealing when that country provided you with a living wage, affordable housing, a reliable NHS, the ability to afford rent, groceries and raise a family on one annual salary.
Nah, just call on the people to enlist. A call for 100k to fight for freedom. To form an expeditionary force.
The British army has a lot of documentation about why conscription doesn’t work and why they can’t actually mobilise that many people, we are not an infantry army or large ground force,
We’re well trained precision force with great Intel gathering and logistics
Sounds harsh but other militaries in the EU have the manpower we also have a Navy that some nations don’t
yeah i heard gen z are lining up in front of recruitment offices already screaming for russian blood
First thing: come back to the EU lads and let’s share a pint or two
Conscription sounds like a great way for illegal immigrants to earn citizenship or right to live to be honest
That’s how anti-NATO sentiment will grow.
But will UK do it? UK has 24 operational tanks, the rest are in disrepair.
Western Europe has neglected defense for 20 years and by doing so have up control over its destiny.
Conscription isn’t needed – better treatment and support for the current armed forces, this making it a viable career choice would be one step.
The next is enforcing decent counter espionage and social media policies as Russia’s real strength is its international propaganda arm, plus its ability to actively channel wealth to influence. Look at home much of London is swimming in oligarch cash, how many companies, luxury retailers and banks are likely involved.
Cut that off and you have a chance.
But in reality it feels like smoke and mirrors – get the people fired up, get them to take the risks and the wealthy russians we don’t mind can skate by…. Even as they continue to prop up extremism. I don’t see the real appetite to tackle the actual danger Russia poses as a simple destabiliser. Too many people think that doesn’t matter, particularly in politics.
Good luck with that.
There is zero chance the working class are willing to go fight Russia in the trenches for a ruling class that openly hates them.
I remember when I was still in college, former Commander of the Dutch Forces, gen. Tom Middendorp gave a lecture about the state of our national army. I remember asking him about bringing conscription back. He was vehemently against the idea, because a conscripted army is a lot less professional and effective than a smaller, well trained army. He also said we are mainly missing a lot of specialists, not so much people to put on the field. And these specialists need to be trained and educated before being put to use. Conscription is not the answer for a well maintained standing army. It wasn’t during the Cold War, and it isn’t now.
The only way to avoid the war in Europe is to unite and create an army that will make cost of attacking us too high for Eastern dictatorships. As long as in their view we are too weak and they can profit from waging a war on us, they will go for it.
Lithuania has conscription, I was sceptical and angry at first, but after i served my mind changed, it was annoying to be locked down with +30ppl, we ware separated in squads, since you can’t choose people some of them were cool some of them were complete asses but overall I only remeber good bits, it helped alot with discipline, respect, time management, responsibilities, consequences and team work. tho some old drill sergants and bigger rank ppl had shit ton of brain washing things to tell that was annoying, but i bet that bit exist in every military/army
The family of this commander and families of the MPs should be on the top of the conscripted list.
The question is what equipment are European countries going to use in the war? As far as I know, Germany has few heavy armored brigades. How many does UK and France have? One can’t win a war with light infantry. How quickly can we make new military factories and production lines? Conscription may be good and necessary, but one need to have the weapons as well (and not just riffle).
As someone who considered joining (thanks Capita), I’m not sure how popular this is gonna be. There’s not an insignificant amount of polarisation in this country between immigration, economic issues, housing, benefits, etc. There’s a lot of media pushing the angle about how migrants are coming here by the thousand, getting cushy hotels and playstations and whatever, or how millions of people are sitting on benefits scrounging off the state, while people are finding it harder to pay their heating and food bills. The amount of times I’ve seen a comment on various sites about how the UK is being invaded whenever there’s something about the Royal Navy or the Army.
Obviously conscription isn’t a choice you get to go along with or not. But IMO conscription isn’t the right option for the UK. Increasing the pay and conditions for troops, getting industry set up and producing munitions by the metric crap ton, and critically creating a logical force structure where we have a serious heavy armoured division on tracks and multiple up armed heavy and light mechanised brigades. Conscription is just going to deliver thousands or tens of thousands of fed up, pissed off, unmotivated, and resentful lads (and maybe lasses) to an Army that isn’t exactly sure what the hell to do with them for six months besides paint the walls and mop the floors.
Then again, maybe someone in power is smarter than we give them credit for and they’ll tie conscription into trade, offer qualifications for engineering, mechanics, medical, IT and so on and get civilian companies to recognise those qualifications. But I doubt it.
Look Europe, as an American, you guys have to act quickly and decisively and say fuck the USA for now. Trump may be an idiot but there are a lot more people involved in this than we know around the world l. It’s not JUST for the benefits of Russia. You guys should immediately intervene in Ukraine and force Trumps hand. You hate American people at the moment but most, including the military, aren’t up for a war. Not one with Canada, and certainly not one where Trump tries to help Russia. It would ultimately screw over Trumps entire goals.
I freely speak English, French and Russian.
Ready to do my part in whatever capacity. I am 40 so put me on a truck for supplies or whatever you’ve got.
Or if need be I will go to Ukraine. Shit is about to hit the fan
Russia is using donkeys to carry stuff to the frontline. I get that Ukraine is very tired of war, but a peace now is about trump saving Russia.