L’Europa prende di mira il deterrente nucleare nostrano come lati di Trump con Putin

Yes this is the first step to avoid invasion, do it ASAP. Then we fix the rest.

Since Germany isn’t allowed to develop nuclear weapons it makes sense for our politicians to strive for European solutions… I just don’t know how these solutions should look like 

Going to have to bring back the BAOR but push it further east to Poland and Czech Republic. But I fear for the Baltics…. Out on a limb

Homegrown deterrent? Is there some mushrooms in that title?

When asked back in 2019 why the British don’t like Trump, Nate White wrote the following which puts it perfectly imo, although he’s clearly even worse this time round.

“*A few things spring to mind.*

*Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.*

*For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.*

*Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.*

*And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.*

*So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:*

* *Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.*
* *You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.*

*This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.*

*And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”*

Even better if you contributed to their upkeep. It just so has it they need like 40b spending on them soon 😅

Glad to see ideas coming out. Merz is not perfect but he might do what Scholz has not been able to do: take action.

We are not even certain that the UK can use their nuke without US consent, so that would leave France.

Nuclear Proliferation.

Finally.

I’m all for more nukes in more EU states.
I really dont see a better peace keeping option, sad to say

Especially for Germany, there really is no alternative. Thank God for the French and British nuclear capabilities, but both are totally geared towards defending their own countries, they are not sufficient as a genuine EUROPEAN nuclear deterrent. There are many articles on this issue in respected defence publications.

The ONLY reason why Germany actually ordered those ridiculously expensive F35 jets is to ensure “nuclear participation”, as in the continued access to American nuclear weapons stationed in Germany. The US refused to certify Eurofighter jets for the job, even if they could have easily done so.

But that was then and this is now – the *Zeitenwende* after the *Zeitenwende.*

How smart is it to continue to rely on systems like the F35 that need access to Lockheed Martin’s servers in the US to function?

Germany will have to develop their own nuclear weapons, which isn’t really a challenge for the very country that invented nuclear fission. Europe needs a strong and extensive nuclear shield, for which Germany will have to do their share.

More challenging is going to be the development of long range ballistic systems, even if the work on long range European cruise missiles has already begun in a joint venture between France, Germany, Spain, Britain, Poland, Sweden and others.

Germany is usually trustworthy in this way, what could go wrong.

i’m pretty sure now, romania, poland and the baltics would like nukes so they dont end up like ukraine, hoping they had some as deterrent

I am flip flopping with anxiety over this whole thing. But when you detach yourself from the safety net of the USA and acknowledge that perhaps this was always going to be the way. And especially after brexit. As a British person you are optimistic that perhaps this is the best thing that could ever have happened.

Europe as a whole has been living in a Eutopia since ww2. It’s been relatively peaceful for my lifetime , that’s how the whole world should be. But we have to accept that the rest of the world isn’t.

We shoud not be relying or procuring defence products from Russia, China, America. We have to be self sufficient for defence, and it’s annoying that we are not. Because Ukraine has demonstrated how clever and strong we can be as a continent, and how much power we collectively have.

Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia needs a new umbrella— hurricane Trump happened

Give warheads to Finland, Baltics, Poland and Czechs

He’s not supporting Russia.

Not supporting Ukraine insanity doesn’t mean you’re supporting Russia.