Most of us Americans are absolutely sickened about this betrayal. So much bullshit. I love you Ukraine! Stay strong, you are the light that brightens the world!
Edit: r/50501
Dapper_Lunch_9192 on
“Attempt to extort Zelensky to sign over minerals” ftfy
tigger_six on
Trump’s first thing was showing that he will not honor any agreements. I don’t think he thought this through…
Lost-Engineering1506 on
Probably turn it off as soon as it’s signed anyway.
ioncloud9 on
This is who this piece of shit is. He sees you need help. He has the ability to provide it. But he tries to extort you for it. He does this domestically with natural disasters. When they hit a state that didn’t vote for him, he withholds aid in order to get concessions. He doesn’t do the right thing because its the right thing to do. “What’s in it for me?” is is guiding principle. And he’s too fucking stupid and short sighted to see that Europe and NATO and the US and the combination of all the western powers and the entire rules based order are ALL better off standing up to Russia and supporting Ukraine. He’s too stupid and short sighted to see the big picture and the long term consequences of his actions.
We are at an inflection point in history. 30-40 years down the line we will come back to this moment and wonder what could’ve been.
secondsniglet on
It would help if Trump was actually offering some kind of carrot or stick as part of the agreement. The US is going to end Russian sanctions and end Ukraine military aid regardless of whether the agreement is signed or not.
There is no motivation for a prisoner to give up their secrets if they know they are going to be killed when the interrogation is over.
Hendrik_the_Third on
And what is Trump offering in return? Betrayal?
FallenRaptor on
Sure. It’s about minerals./s I’m sure the minerals are an incentive, but Putin’s bitch was never going to side with Ukraine.
Responsible-Panic239 on
Sign the deal and when the war finally ends break it. Say it was signed under duress. Can not see a court saying it wasn’t.
Ballistic-Bob on
After his so called “‘perfect phone call “ when he tried to quid pro quo Zelenskyy digging up dirt on Biden for the release of aid due to Ukraine and Zelenskyy’s refusal he was never going to be on Zelenskyy’s side… ever , he’s such a fragile little man deep down , total narcissistic behaviour.
Also a Russian agent , so there is that too
dcoffe01 on
This is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum. Now it is not just Russia trying to carve up Ukraine, USA is joining in. SAD.
Appropriate-Food1757 on
I wish that was the case, but it’s more of a gift to Putin. It would be more acceptable for me if Trump was trying to get a benefit.
Acrobatic-Tomato-128 on
The insane thing is ukraine would sign over probably 100% of their mineral rights if the usa agreed to put military in ukraine and defend its borders in perpituity
Tricky-Nobody179 on
Gross oversimplification. Even if he got this deal tomorrow he would still sell out the Ukrainians.
tonyd1957 on
Fuck trump……give him nothing take him nowhere.
SomeoneRandom007 on
Trump is appalling.
Slow-Coyote-6840 on
What I really think is going on without fearmongering is that large scale US and European commercial investment and facilities in Ukraine would provide more security than fortified trenches. It would also lead to a massive boost to the Ukraine economy.
Trump thinks in terms of commercial ventures.. this was what was “offered” to North Korea in the first administration.
Pavement_Vigilante on
Make a mineral deal with europe instead?
ConsiderationLoud75 on
And still i do not hear many americans realizing that in US a coup is unfolding. On jan 6th he failed, now he serm to succeed, as Putin succeeded.
No-Bumblebee-6008 on
Please stop analysing. Trump have no idea what he is doing. He just does stuff. The strongest voice wins him over.
JadedLeafs on
Krasnov*
RottenPingu1 on
No doubt any deal will come with an American base to protect their interests…and Russia’s interests.
lickswaffles on
Trumps holding Ukraine hostage on this deal because he needs to fill the deficit he has created in the American tax economy by giving all the millionaires and billionaires tax cuts
m3kw on
If they shut off starlink, they not get no minerals, Ukraine would be basically lost to Russia, Russia isn’t gonna give you anything without even more political concessions. There is a poker game here and who knows how it will play out
GrnViper on
Hold on Ukraine, we’re going to get rid of this shit stain as soon as we can.
red_hulk1995 on
Normally people backstab each other quietly, now they backstab blatantly.
The world we are living in is surely interesting.
Onlooker0109 on
I hope Ukraine says “fuck off, Trump!”
mdamjan7 on
Tell Trump that you got a better offer from Europe…
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Most of us Americans are absolutely sickened about this betrayal. So much bullshit. I love you Ukraine! Stay strong, you are the light that brightens the world!
Edit: r/50501
“Attempt to extort Zelensky to sign over minerals” ftfy
Trump’s first thing was showing that he will not honor any agreements. I don’t think he thought this through…
Probably turn it off as soon as it’s signed anyway.
This is who this piece of shit is. He sees you need help. He has the ability to provide it. But he tries to extort you for it. He does this domestically with natural disasters. When they hit a state that didn’t vote for him, he withholds aid in order to get concessions. He doesn’t do the right thing because its the right thing to do. “What’s in it for me?” is is guiding principle. And he’s too fucking stupid and short sighted to see that Europe and NATO and the US and the combination of all the western powers and the entire rules based order are ALL better off standing up to Russia and supporting Ukraine. He’s too stupid and short sighted to see the big picture and the long term consequences of his actions.
We are at an inflection point in history. 30-40 years down the line we will come back to this moment and wonder what could’ve been.
It would help if Trump was actually offering some kind of carrot or stick as part of the agreement. The US is going to end Russian sanctions and end Ukraine military aid regardless of whether the agreement is signed or not.
There is no motivation for a prisoner to give up their secrets if they know they are going to be killed when the interrogation is over.
And what is Trump offering in return? Betrayal?
Sure. It’s about minerals./s I’m sure the minerals are an incentive, but Putin’s bitch was never going to side with Ukraine.
Sign the deal and when the war finally ends break it. Say it was signed under duress. Can not see a court saying it wasn’t.
After his so called “‘perfect phone call “ when he tried to quid pro quo Zelenskyy digging up dirt on Biden for the release of aid due to Ukraine and Zelenskyy’s refusal he was never going to be on Zelenskyy’s side… ever , he’s such a fragile little man deep down , total narcissistic behaviour.
Also a Russian agent , so there is that too
This is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum. Now it is not just Russia trying to carve up Ukraine, USA is joining in. SAD.
I wish that was the case, but it’s more of a gift to Putin. It would be more acceptable for me if Trump was trying to get a benefit.
The insane thing is ukraine would sign over probably 100% of their mineral rights if the usa agreed to put military in ukraine and defend its borders in perpituity
Gross oversimplification. Even if he got this deal tomorrow he would still sell out the Ukrainians.
Fuck trump……give him nothing take him nowhere.
Trump is appalling.
What I really think is going on without fearmongering is that large scale US and European commercial investment and facilities in Ukraine would provide more security than fortified trenches. It would also lead to a massive boost to the Ukraine economy.
Trump thinks in terms of commercial ventures.. this was what was “offered” to North Korea in the first administration.
Make a mineral deal with europe instead?
And still i do not hear many americans realizing that in US a coup is unfolding. On jan 6th he failed, now he serm to succeed, as Putin succeeded.
Please stop analysing. Trump have no idea what he is doing. He just does stuff. The strongest voice wins him over.
Krasnov*
No doubt any deal will come with an American base to protect their interests…and Russia’s interests.
Trumps holding Ukraine hostage on this deal because he needs to fill the deficit he has created in the American tax economy by giving all the millionaires and billionaires tax cuts
If they shut off starlink, they not get no minerals, Ukraine would be basically lost to Russia, Russia isn’t gonna give you anything without even more political concessions. There is a poker game here and who knows how it will play out
Hold on Ukraine, we’re going to get rid of this shit stain as soon as we can.
Normally people backstab each other quietly, now they backstab blatantly.
The world we are living in is surely interesting.
I hope Ukraine says “fuck off, Trump!”
Tell Trump that you got a better offer from Europe…