Ora il Regno Unito dovrebbe pensare due volte alla condivisione dell’intelligenza con l’America: la realtà è molto chiara. Con l’attuale direzione degli Stati Uniti, possiamo solo affrontare la sfida che pone lavorando con l’Europa e altri alleati che condividono i nostri valori

> #Now the UK should think twice about sharing intelligence with America
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> **The reality is very clear, writes Dominic Grieve. With the current direction of the USA, we can only face the challenge it poses by working with Europe and other allies who share our values**
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> *Saturday 22 February 2025 12:59 GMT*
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> Listening to the words of President Trump is to enter the world of the surreal. As Friday’s leader in The Independent has identified, it is not just the issue that he seems to have decided to abandon US support for Ukraine and requires it to cut some form of deal or ceasefire with Putin’s Russia, so as to stop the war, but that he has chosen to vilify President Zelensky and Ukraine itself as a sovereign independent state through a series of whopping lies, straight out of Russian propaganda, about the origin of the war, in order to justify his policy.
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> Equally astonishing is to have to listen to these lies being repeated by US vice-president JD Vance and defence secretary Hegseth. All this before we have to listen to the rants of Mr Musk. It is impossible to escape the conclusion that the leadership of the USA is being turned into the court of the emperor Nero, with a narcissistic and nasty ruler surrounded by sycophants: a disaster for the people of the United States and the free world.
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> The implications of all this for our national security are at present being tiptoed around. Hope is expressed that the prime minister’s forthcoming visit to the USA might bring a change of direction. President Macron is about to attempt the same. But barring some miracle, it is hard to see how so much damage to Nato unity of purpose, done so rapidly, does not presage a fundamental shift in Trump’s view of US national interest.
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> Indeed, the signs are now there that he has adopted the persona of a transactional mafia boss, much more interested in forging a deal with an undoubted mafia boss in the shape of Putin than in seeking to promote US interests by sustaining the values of the international rules-based system, which Putin has consistently ignored and violated at every level.
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> Since the end of the Second World War, the US and the UK have had a special relationship in matters of security and defence which has survived occasional policy differences and greatly benefited both parties, as I know from my time as chair of the intelligence and security committee. We share intelligence with Canada, Australia and New Zealand through the “Five Eyes” in a process so well established that it does not require political direction. It is based on high levels of trust.
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> But it is impossible to see how this can survive a situation where the most powerful participating member has gone rogue and is cosying up to Russia, which is, for us at present, our and our neighbourhood’s most immediate and potentially dangerous adversary, even if we continue to have interests in common in respect of the threat from China and elsewhere.
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> We are facing our biggest crisis since 1939. We do so with a wholly inadequate defence budget that has led over two decades to the inadequate state of our armed forces. We do so at a time when our economy continues to be adversely impacted by Brexit and when the removal of the UK from European structures remains a significant barrier to the cooperation in defence procurement that is going to be needed very quickly to meet the challenge we are facing from Russia. Ensuring that Ukraine survives as a free, sovereign and independent state is not only some moral imperative, it is also essential to avoid far worse conflict later.
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> During the First World War, the UK and France were prompted by the anglophone and anglophile businessman Jean Monnet to not only be allies but also break down barriers to joint defence procurement and wider wartime economic cooperation. This is what we are now going to need urgently again at a pan-European level. The reality is very clear. With the current direction of the USA, we can only face the challenge it poses by working with our neighbours who share our values.
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> ***Barrister and former politician Dominic Grieve served as shadow home secretary from 2008-09 and attorney general for England and Wales from 2010-2014***

Haha four eyes 🤓

Any organisation that has Tulsi Gabbard in a position of power is automatically suspect.

Give Trump funky information and he will believe it, let him know that Hungary is amassing troops at our border and they should be expelled from NATO

Not only the UK should choose European

But especially we customers should do that

Join: r/BuyFromEU

Wow, just wow. It will take decades to restore the trust even if they start from tomorrow.

The UK values? What exactly are those? LOL. Yall Europoors are delusional.

All of 5 eyes should be very careful with sharing with the yanks. I say this as a kiwi living in Australia. They are basically a dictatorship now with Russian ties

This goes four most countries right now. US got all of that while they pretended to care for us, nowadays they have both capacity and expressed intent to hurt Europe.

“Should think twice”

Yawn

Wake me up when we actually do something about it. We won’t cut them off, we’re too deeply entwined

News just in, the US has invaded London and set fire to Big Ben. “After this latest provocation the UK should consider maybe possibly pondering thinking twice about sharing intelligence with the US, maybe, just a suggestion though”

Not like.we can trust it anyway. Look at the great intelligent we got regarding Iraq. England swore they had proof of WMDs.

I wonder if some of the US staff shared the Ukrainian position and plans with the Russians.

Just asking this question says a lot about how trustworthy Trump’s US is.

2 months in bros, just 2 months in and already we are at this point.

>”And who will come. Elves? Dwarves? We are not so lucky in our friends as you. The old alliances are dead, no my Lord Aragorn, we are alone.”

You can have this opinion, but the reality is we’re far too integrated to just stop.

[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/25/uk-police-end-suspension-of-intelligence-sharing-with-us](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/25/uk-police-end-suspension-of-intelligence-sharing-with-us)

We did it in 2017 and it was unprecedented.

I honestly don’t understand why any country in Europe is still even speaking to America. You should be sanctioning the shit out of us and cutting all economic and military ties. Anything less than complete ostracism is a bullshit, cowardly move and reinforces all the lies trump spews about Europe might actually be true. Grow some balls. Lead the world. Or shut the fuck up.

Just shut the fuck up and secure social media so the same doesn’t happen to you. Ban Twitter and TikTok. Get Facebook and Instagram to share their algorithm and keep it transparent or ban them too. 

The EU is running out if time and there are too many people in power without enough imagination to see where this is going. 

Bloated posturing and speeches about being friends with America don’t mean shit. The US is probably lost. It’s fascism with algorithms and AI going forward if you lose your democracy. Orwell never dreamed it would be this bad. 

Let’s cut to the quick: Trump is a Russian asset.

It could not be clearer. All of his foreign policy objectives are aligned with Russian objectives.

He has a lengthy history of doing business with Russian oligarchs, so the motivations are financial. Russian oligarchs are ultimately tied to Putin, so the financial becomes political.

Trump has also been courted by the Russians since Soviet times, so the relationship is not new.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

At the very least, Trump is a useful idiot for the Russian state.

Everyone who wants to do transactions with USA should take the same measures they take when they do transactions with e.gm Kazakhstan:

They are dealing with a Russian ally, whose intelligence is infiltrated by Russia and everything ends up reaching the Kremlin.