“Abbiamo bisogno della bomba?” Più discorsi tedeschi sullo sviluppo di armi nucleari. Merz è diretto a Parigi per discutere delle prospettive di europeizzare il deterrente nucleare francese
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“Abbiamo bisogno della bomba?” Più discorsi tedeschi sullo sviluppo di armi nucleari. Merz è diretto a Parigi per discutere delle prospettive di europeizzare il deterrente nucleare francese
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Yes we do.
Trump is a genius /s
The most effective means of preventing someone using nuclear weapons against you is them knowing you‘d retaliate in kind, ideally in an automated fashion.
As it turns out, nukes are the most direct and effective deterrent. Just as Kim Jong Un. Trump hasn’t called him a dictator in a long time.
You either have a bomb, or Russia invades you. Ask Ukraine have it went for them. Even if USA help you, they will ask 1trillion $$$, and you dont get east germany back.
Bomb or bust.
Yes, Germany needs nukes, it needs the nuclear triad. It’s long overdue and the USA won’t protect Europe with theirs anymore.
Also, 53% of Poles think Poland should acquire nuclear weapons with only 28% opposing the idea:
[https://businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/bron-atomowa-w-polsce-to-sadza-polacy-sondaz/ppq7r1m](https://businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/bron-atomowa-w-polsce-to-sadza-polacy-sondaz/ppq7r1m)
Does Germany even have second strike capability?
You do and we do in Canada as well.
It’s odd that other than the UK and France we also have nukes in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey and Belarus but those belong to the US.
How the hell we ever allowed for this defense structure is beyond me.
Anyway, can we seize those? Is that an option?
I’d prefer something along the lines of the UK and France provides the nuclear weapons. But Germany (and others in Europe) buys them outright, whilst the weapons are maintained in the UK and France (like refueling tritium etc) the Germans etc will own them outright and give them full control over their use without needing the authorisation of the UK or France.
The plus side to this is that it adds greater strategic ambiguity to the russians of attempting anything as they no longer have to limit their thinking of just being what action would result in the UK or France authorising nuclear use but also Germany and every other nation that had them. It’s the kind of stuff that’d give them nightmares, which is precisely the position we want the russians in.
It seems Germans really love talking about things at greater lengths. I remember the drone discussions that started in late 2000’s and still continues one way or another.
Nuclear deterrence was another such topic that’s been plaguing the SCAF/FCAS new generation aircraft project of French-German collaboration via Airbus. French were insisting about implementing nuclear weapons to this platform while Germans were arguing against it for years. This in turn has postponed the project for about 5 years already.
Could a joint Nordic nuclear program happen? Sweden has experience, Finland has uranium, Denmark has the land area where to test safely, and Norway has expertise excavating & setting up large infrastructure underground.
Yeah. Unfortunately the past 3 years killed the NPT and Trump is applying the coup de grace.
What does “Europeanizing” mean in this instance? Does it mean that France alone will be relied on to decide when to defend Europe, or does it mean that nations like Hungary get a say too?
Both seem kinda bad to me.
Yes but not only Germany, Finland, Norway, Estonia, Poland, etc.
Russia just might call bluff and invade a border nation without nukes, if they had nukes it would exponentially increase the ceiling for invasion possibility.
Simple answer. Yes.
Oh boy yeah
Yes Germany needs the bomb. Putin only recognises strength.
yes we need it but not many!
After the US just shafted Ukraine?
Yeah, non-proliferation is dead.
Bloody morons.
Please yes, detach us from the Americans when it comes to defense.
The French already have what it takes we just need more of it. Why not make this a common project. But we also need to remove any American technology because they are an enemy now as much as it hurts saying this.
If the invasion of Ukraine by Russia has shown us one thing that we NEED those weapons.
The Ukrainians chose to give up their nuclear weapons to Russia in exchamge for security guarantees.
Look what it got them.
Trust me – you do, just like anyone else. Sincerely yours, Ukrainians.
Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo
As Trump and Brexit examples show. The biggest actual threat is being won over without a single shot.
That is with propaganda and social media algorithms.
And preventing this is where the main focus and investment shoud be.
Putin managed to push UK out of Europe. Now pushing away USA out of Europe. Next obvious step is to push Germany and France out. And at that point its total game over. Nukes won’t save anything.
First time ever: Europeans are hoping Germany arms itself to the teeth
Absolutely! With Russia and their new vassal (USSA aka MUSKovia), Europe should be able to stand strong against the 2 nuclear superpowers. We also need to be fully invested into counter espionage and reintroduce visa system with the states since Trump is considering to sell citizenship to “good guys” Russian oligarchs.
We can grief over our loss of an old ally later. For now, stand on our own feet and cut any dependencies left from either.