Yeah, pretty much. He can be a bit of a shitlord at times, but I agree that Turkiye is a pivotal ally that needs to be treated appropriately. Doesn’t necessarily mean EU membership – that’s up to the EU bods – but they need to be included in European security arrangements just as the UK and Norway are.
Also, he’s not wrong peace in Palestine.
Possible_Cause8274 on
How much military support do we anticipate Turkey will send to Ukraine in the coming months?
Beginning_Way_1854 on
He can deal with Russia. But do not rely on him.
Fit_Cardiologist3109 on
Turkey does control the Straits, so he’s not wrong
Mandurang76 on
I really don’t like him and his politics. But his stance on the war has been very clear and supportive to Ukraine in the past 3 years, I’ll grant him that!
notmyfirstrodeo2 on
I might not support Erdogan at all, but Turkey is few nations that russia still fears and few nations that doesn’t let Kreml dictate what they can and can’t do.
So i agree. Turkey is also very important NATO ally, even if my political views don’t allign with current Turkey mostly at all probably.
I’m sure many Greece people would totally disagree with. But i agree that Turkey is important ally, specially after USA became a russian vessel.
DarlockAhe on
To be fair, them having control over Bosphorus is a big deal.
ExtremeOccident on
I’d like to see Turkish troops in Ukraine to guarantee a peace deal. No way Russia would attack those, they know not to fuck around with the Turks.
BestagonIsHexagon on
I am very skeptical : he is asking for EU membership in the article, which he cannot get due to his terrible relations with Greece. He has to know that, and yet he is still asking for it.
Maeglin75 on
If Erdogan was replaced by a democratic, pro European government, it would be much more than only security. Türkiye could play a major role in future European politics.
notmyfirstrodeo2 on
Turkey has literally been supporting Ukraine? Not maybe as much size of their nation should, but they are not anti Ukraine and pro russia…
Most-Personality-69 on
If eu still needs Turkey for it’s defence then it must feel ashamed. You will be a rich union but still need others to protect your humble ass. Humiliating.
Judge_T on
Does Turkiye have the assets and the strategic position to be pivotal in European security? Yes.
Does Erdogan actually CARE about European security? UHMMMMMMMM
DutchDispair on
I don’t support Erdogan because he flips back and forth a lot, but I think Turkey could be one of the biggest major contributors to NATO and European safety in so many ways. It has been time to acknowledge the Turks as Europeans for a while now but with the anti-islamic rhetoric flaring up in Europe I can see why this has been… a sensitive issue.
makiferol on
Turkey has a massive and fully geared up defense industry. Europe is struggling with ramp up of military production. They can place some massive orders on Turkish hardware and deliver them directly to Ukraine. That would be a nice collaboration. Otherwise it is just talk. Turkey can continue to keep its relation with both Russia and EU transactional.
Xtremekillax on
Turks makes some damn good military related stuff.
Nagash24 on
There is a big difference between liking *the person Erdogan*’s national politics, and seeing *Turkey the country* as a military ally. Erdogan is absolutely right that they’re a very important ally for us right now.
KingofReddit12345 on
“If I do say so myself”
eddyedutz on
As an European, I would fight for my life to defend the local kebab shops!
MrTransport_d24549e on
Most great or major powers around the world will be making similar statements to Europe – sensing the precarious situation that EU is in and would try to exploit it to their advantage.
This is what the governments do anyway.
But as a common person, I’d wish well to the europeans. Although I hope not, there may be chances of difficult times ahead. A strong Europe is in the interest of the world.
fcar on
Ben İsveçliyim ama Türkiye benim için bir dost!
That’s all I can say in homebrew Turkish right now as I’ve gotten rusty but I think the moment has come to start practising again. And no, not an Erdoǧan fan generally but in these times we need to gang up against the bullies.
Ben-182 on
I’m not European but I find it weird Erdogan ask for membership while attacking west free speech in the same sentence. Weird way of making friends.
poison4s on
Turkey has the manpower and defense industry that EU could only wish for right now. But don’t get your hopes high. He may not be able to send any soldiers due to lack of public support -as far as I know he needs referandum for such a move.
EU membership isn’t worth it. Eu isnt as attractive as it was because we’ve seen how little impact it has on important matters. Racism Turks face in growing trends in EU isn’t helping either. Not to mention how EU has been ridiculing Turkish citizens in visa applications in recent years (one small example is mass rejection of student visas from Italy). Eu is not worth losing both the US and Russia for good.
If it comes to sending soldiers to Ukraine for “peacekeeping”, I don’t think Erdoğan has enough public support for this (he might even be gone before that as public request for election surges)
Today EU needs our soldiers, tomorrow it will be “Turken Raus” again.
It’s a definite no from me in a referandum. Turkiye will be used and discarded once again for european benefits. No thank you.
Kalepox on
No one in Turkey interested in joining EU at this point especially the young people just laughs when a politician makes a EU statement
Only thing public wants is like a 30 day visa free travel in 180 day intervals as people conducting business and tourists have to get visa every time they go
cangaroo_hamam on
He is kinda right… it’s because of Turkey that Greece is so well prepared for conflict and defense. Guarding Europe’s south borders at the same time.
mybrainisoutoforderr on
fuck him
Lazy-Land3987 on
Oh man ngl, it’s glorious watching you guys go from spitting on us over the last couple years screaming about kicking us out of NATO, to kissing our asses virtually overnight because the U.S. is upping and leaving and we’re the only ones with huge manpower, indigenous military tech and experience confronting the Russians in active combat.
Don’t get me wrong I hope like hell we smash them and continue to back Ukraine but you lot give us Turks a good laugh when need us in dire situations.
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Yeah, pretty much. He can be a bit of a shitlord at times, but I agree that Turkiye is a pivotal ally that needs to be treated appropriately. Doesn’t necessarily mean EU membership – that’s up to the EU bods – but they need to be included in European security arrangements just as the UK and Norway are.
Also, he’s not wrong peace in Palestine.
How much military support do we anticipate Turkey will send to Ukraine in the coming months?
He can deal with Russia. But do not rely on him.
Turkey does control the Straits, so he’s not wrong
I really don’t like him and his politics. But his stance on the war has been very clear and supportive to Ukraine in the past 3 years, I’ll grant him that!
I might not support Erdogan at all, but Turkey is few nations that russia still fears and few nations that doesn’t let Kreml dictate what they can and can’t do.
So i agree. Turkey is also very important NATO ally, even if my political views don’t allign with current Turkey mostly at all probably.
I’m sure many Greece people would totally disagree with. But i agree that Turkey is important ally, specially after USA became a russian vessel.
To be fair, them having control over Bosphorus is a big deal.
I’d like to see Turkish troops in Ukraine to guarantee a peace deal. No way Russia would attack those, they know not to fuck around with the Turks.
I am very skeptical : he is asking for EU membership in the article, which he cannot get due to his terrible relations with Greece. He has to know that, and yet he is still asking for it.
If Erdogan was replaced by a democratic, pro European government, it would be much more than only security. Türkiye could play a major role in future European politics.
Turkey has literally been supporting Ukraine? Not maybe as much size of their nation should, but they are not anti Ukraine and pro russia…
If eu still needs Turkey for it’s defence then it must feel ashamed. You will be a rich union but still need others to protect your humble ass. Humiliating.
Does Turkiye have the assets and the strategic position to be pivotal in European security? Yes.
Does Erdogan actually CARE about European security? UHMMMMMMMM
I don’t support Erdogan because he flips back and forth a lot, but I think Turkey could be one of the biggest major contributors to NATO and European safety in so many ways. It has been time to acknowledge the Turks as Europeans for a while now but with the anti-islamic rhetoric flaring up in Europe I can see why this has been… a sensitive issue.
Turkey has a massive and fully geared up defense industry. Europe is struggling with ramp up of military production. They can place some massive orders on Turkish hardware and deliver them directly to Ukraine. That would be a nice collaboration. Otherwise it is just talk. Turkey can continue to keep its relation with both Russia and EU transactional.
Turks makes some damn good military related stuff.
There is a big difference between liking *the person Erdogan*’s national politics, and seeing *Turkey the country* as a military ally. Erdogan is absolutely right that they’re a very important ally for us right now.
“If I do say so myself”
As an European, I would fight for my life to defend the local kebab shops!
Most great or major powers around the world will be making similar statements to Europe – sensing the precarious situation that EU is in and would try to exploit it to their advantage.
This is what the governments do anyway.
But as a common person, I’d wish well to the europeans. Although I hope not, there may be chances of difficult times ahead. A strong Europe is in the interest of the world.
Ben İsveçliyim ama Türkiye benim için bir dost!
That’s all I can say in homebrew Turkish right now as I’ve gotten rusty but I think the moment has come to start practising again. And no, not an Erdoǧan fan generally but in these times we need to gang up against the bullies.
I’m not European but I find it weird Erdogan ask for membership while attacking west free speech in the same sentence. Weird way of making friends.
Turkey has the manpower and defense industry that EU could only wish for right now. But don’t get your hopes high. He may not be able to send any soldiers due to lack of public support -as far as I know he needs referandum for such a move.
EU membership isn’t worth it. Eu isnt as attractive as it was because we’ve seen how little impact it has on important matters. Racism Turks face in growing trends in EU isn’t helping either. Not to mention how EU has been ridiculing Turkish citizens in visa applications in recent years (one small example is mass rejection of student visas from Italy). Eu is not worth losing both the US and Russia for good.
If it comes to sending soldiers to Ukraine for “peacekeeping”, I don’t think Erdoğan has enough public support for this (he might even be gone before that as public request for election surges)
Today EU needs our soldiers, tomorrow it will be “Turken Raus” again.
It’s a definite no from me in a referandum. Turkiye will be used and discarded once again for european benefits. No thank you.
No one in Turkey interested in joining EU at this point especially the young people just laughs when a politician makes a EU statement
Only thing public wants is like a 30 day visa free travel in 180 day intervals as people conducting business and tourists have to get visa every time they go
He is kinda right… it’s because of Turkey that Greece is so well prepared for conflict and defense. Guarding Europe’s south borders at the same time.
fuck him
Oh man ngl, it’s glorious watching you guys go from spitting on us over the last couple years screaming about kicking us out of NATO, to kissing our asses virtually overnight because the U.S. is upping and leaving and we’re the only ones with huge manpower, indigenous military tech and experience confronting the Russians in active combat.
Don’t get me wrong I hope like hell we smash them and continue to back Ukraine but you lot give us Turks a good laugh when need us in dire situations.