L’ascesa del brutale americano: gli europei sono sconcertati, delusi e spaventati dall’America, un paese che pensavano di sapere.

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    1. No-Community- on

      Well the behavior that used to be shameful, is now promoted by the president

    2. Purple_Feature1861 on

      We thought that if things got bad the American people would rise up but it seems not.. 

    3. DryCloud9903 on

      Not even gonna read this. 
      Not frightened or mystified – and that certainly hasn’t been the response of our leaders either. 

      Disappointed? Yeah, but not that surprised either.

      We don’t need articles like whatever this is. 
      If there’s any kind of *propaganda* we need, it’s that of positive one, which shows European Unity and Strength.

    4. According-Buyer6688 on

      Guys we need to ditch our dependency on the USA

      join r/BuyFromEU

    5. Entire_Classroom_263 on

      Was just a matter of time until the archetypal school shooter got to run the whole country. I am actually not that surprised, I mean, look at them! Look at how they tread their poor, their mentally ill, their weak, how they run their prisons, how they rip off and kill each other on a day to day basis.

      All things considered, one could wonder how they managed to keep their act together for that long? But maybe I’m talking out of passion.

      There are also a lot of decent US Americans.

    6. TTWBB_V2 on

      The US have been treating the global south like this for decades though, and we let them carry on when we weren’t aiding them. It’s as shocking as when the schoolyard bully eventually turn on you after you ignored him being an idiot or cheered him on to try to stay on his good side.

    7. I am actually surprised, didn’t think they’d turn full on support for Russia this quickly and this hard.

    8. gamesbrainiac on

      America is not new to brutality. Europe is just facing what the Middle East and Asia has faced in the past decades.

    9. purpleowlie on

      As a European, whose grandparents were actually in concentration camp, I am not frightened, I am disgusted and ashamed that I once, as a kid, actually believed the USA were great country.

    10. TodayPutrid7986 on

      The Europeans aren’t frightened or mystified! What a load of BS. We are strong, firm and polite. Disappointed, yes. But only by the fact that Americans put up with this freak show. Our democracies would not have accepted the orange man. 

    11. BaDangIt on

      I think America is just waiting for the boomers to finally fuck off and die

    12. Mrstrawberry209 on

      We’re surprised by the sudden turn around against allies but everything else was always there.

    13. Dietmeister on

      What has changed in the US is the select group of people in the Whitehouse.

      The question is: are the next group of people going to be the same and keep on staying the same until the US is truly a different nation which is hostile towards anyone

    14. FollowingRare6247 on

      I think disappointment is the only thing I’d feel. Mystification and fright suggest a level of toothlessness and inability that I don’t think are there. If nothing else, because I would trust my fellow European friends – and I say European. 

      It’s possible to have this attitude and acknowledge that Europe has made grave mistakes in the past though. It’s about rallying behind what needs to be done and supporting each other, I guess. We may often think whatever about our leadership, but at least they’re politicians.

      I would just hope that there’ll be more aggression and decisiveness on our part, whether that’s pursuing Article 7 against Hungary – addition by subtraction, or something else. 

    15. United-Mountain8935 on

      Hah, frightened… I’m more pumped then I have ever been. They choose their fool… I’m enjoying seeing the outcome.

    16. Suzume_Chikahisa on

      Not that shocked. At least no one but the most die-hard of transatlanticists.

    17. CDN_Outdoorsman on

      Just imagine how we Canadians feel… The switch has flipped. And it’s going to take a very long time, if ever to regain trust.

    18. organic-osmanthus on

      What I can say is that as an American it is disappointing.

      Many of us have spent the better part of the last decade protesting, speaking out and doing what is reasonably within our means as individual people to do our part to push back.

      I feel welcome to dissent from the global stage right now towards us, because our legislators seem pretty content with pageantry rather than doing their jobs.

      I just ask to remember that we, like all other nations are not a monolith. I can’t lie and say that the indiscriminate hate towards us isn’t justified, but it does feel a little scary to be shouting from the rooftops for the last 10 years that this is crazy and not normal, and then to see the world stage understandably not want to engage with said crazy.

      I did want to dispel a few things I’ve seen a lot recently though regarding guns in the US, and about 2A and why we aren’t rising up.

      The people who are in opposition of trump and legislators alike are largely in support of gun laws and restrictions in the US. Left leaning Americans are far less likely to own a gun, or support gun ownership all together. They are far less likely to have guns to uprise with anyways.

      Additionally, our own government has a history of killing its own citizens during times of opposition. Examples of this include:

      The Kent state University massacre in which our own national guard open fired on and killed university students protesting the Vietnam war.

      Philadelphia bombing– the police bombed a black neighborhood in Philadelphia, killing many, including children because they opposed MOVE, a black liberation non-profit.

      There are countless incidents like this, and I don’t think people have reached the point they are willing to sacrifice their lives. Who wants to resort to that?

      Everyone is hoping this resolves diplomatically and doesn’t have to result in the worst, but only time will tell.

      Until then, thank you for your efforts and calling out the shitshow that is our current government.

    19. SkyPirateVyse on

      The USA are a very young country.

      They are going through their rebellious teenage phase where they “hate their parents(ugh!)”, constantly get into fights with their friends and change peer groups regularly.

      Let’s hope they get through it quickly and grow up soon.

    20. Pixelated_throwaway on

      The US is trying to join the new axis of evil with Russia. Shutting off the HIMARS in Ukraine benefits no one but Russia. Every civilized nation needs to rethink any military or tech agreement they have with that fascist ass country.

      Canada needs to cancel the f35 purchase. Literally the only reason we would need them would be a hypothetical war with the US and they can just shut them off.

    21. AtomicBabyPants on

      They have been treating their own like shit for years. At some stage, it spills out.

    22. ZealousIdealist24214 on

      I’m an American (a gun-loving, semi-conservative one at that) who’s mystified, disappointed, frightened, and ashamed of what my country is doing. In the span of a week, I went from thinking, “we can contain this, float, bluff, and bluster our way through four years and then get back on track finally” to “What the **** just happened? This can’t possible be the country I knew and loved anymore…”

    23. As a Russian in the EU, I feel like Americans receive more hate now from Europeans than even Russians have gotten as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine!

      It is sort of unfair.

    24. Boundish91 on

      I’m not mystified at all. For anyone who’s been paying attention, the writing has been on the wall for quite a while now.

    25. Agreeable_Fig_3713 on

      Thought we knew? No. I’m sorry but this lot have for decades been moving away from our values as modern progressive societies. We knew them well. They were wanks

    26. Puzzleheaded-Focus12 on

      Can I just say, as an American who has been fighting this MAGA shit since before Trump, I am mystified, disappointed and frightened too. And pretty much exhausted.

    27. heli0s_7 on

      Our friends in Canada and Mexico, and across the Atlantic should know that there are still tens of millions of decent people in this country. Those of us who didn’t vote for this are equally shocked at the hostile takeover of our institutions, the abandonment of allies, and the vindictive ugliness that characterizes so much of Trump’s behavior. Eventually Americans do the right thing, but not before causing needless suffering to many people. Don’t write us off just yet even though it’s warranted.

    28. B12Washingbeard on

      The people in charge now aren’t really Americans. They’re Confederates. They’ve been wanting to destroy the union since the end of the civil war and now is their best time to do it.

    29. Residentneurotic on

      “ The “rise” of the “brutal “ American …. We have always been here 😢….

      Voted republican until 2016 when this bozo got on the ballot 😡. Have never been over the moon about either party; just kept trying to vote for what seemed to be the lesser of two evils . I represented ( as a technical advisor ) the US Navy at NATO in the 80s and early 90s . Things have been challenging here for a long time ; but the results of this last election ( suspect Elon tooled it ,,, but regardless,,, it was simply TOO CLOSE to ignore these last two elections) seriously caught many of us here by surprise . We should have known better ,,, the changes to investing laws , the distribution of wealth , the treatment of minorities etc…
      Many of us have been wearing blinders or rose colored glasses . Trying to think we were better than we are .
      I will tell you %100000 that the racism and misogyny here has NOT CHANGED since the Civil War ,,, it’s just been forced to keep its head down .
      The USA is not what many of us thought it was ,,, it was just hiding under rocks. Trump turned those rocks over and the true USA crawled out from under it .
      I am sorry to say what you are seeing IS THE USA 😭😭😭. Many of us here , our heads are spinning. We are reeling, and the hits keep coming.
      I have immensely admired how the Ukrainian people gathered together and have taken their country back and fight together.
      I don’t think the USA will get there for many generations. If it ever does. There are people here that are WILLFULLY ignorant. They EMBRACE it.

    30. I don’t know it feels like people who knew America are the least surprised about the recent developments.

    31. RealAmbassador4081 on

      Time to STOP CALLING THEM AMERICA. AMERICA IS A CONTINENT. 

      They can now be called The RUSSIAN REPUBLIC OF AMERICA.

    32. Wind_Ship on

      We are not frightened !!! Europe was there before USA and will be here again when USA will be long gone…

      Do not fear sisters and brothers from Europe we are in this together and we will get through this as always !

    33. Mofoman3019 on

      Thought they knew?

      These are the Americans i’ve always seen.

    34. wayne_kit69 on

      American here. I just wanted to express that I am beyond disgusted with my country and am ashamed and embarrassed to call myself an American. As disheartening as it is to see the rest of the world – including our closest allies – turn their backs on us, it is especially disheartening when it is perfectly justified. Not all of us wanted this. In fact, a majority of us didn’t. But thanks to people who didn’t want to vote because Kamala “would have been as bad” we’re now in a trade war with Canada and Mexico and the already staggering cost of living is going to go up dramatically. I grew up being told that I live in the greatest country in the world and I have always known it was a lie but it has never been more evident to me than it is now.

    35. serrated_edge321 on

      Tbh at least 50% of Americans are also every one of those adjectives right now.

    36. The-Eye-of_Ra on

      It’s like that uncle that was always a bit odd and now went full mental. All you want to do is send him to a facility

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