La relazione tra Europa e Stati Uniti è morta. Ma nessuno è pronto a firmare il certificato di morte – ancora.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/analyse-forholdet-mellem-europa-og-usa-er-doedt-men-ingen-er-parat-til-underskrive
di achton
La relazione tra Europa e Stati Uniti è morta. Ma nessuno è pronto a firmare il certificato di morte – ancora.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/analyse-forholdet-mellem-europa-og-usa-er-doedt-men-ingen-er-parat-til-underskrive
di achton
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The United States is no longer the allies of Denmark and Europe. Politicians don’t say it out loud. But if you see how Europe’s politicians act, there is no doubt. And the new world order will have major consequences – both for Europe and the United States.
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Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles were in my local two weeks ago having a chat and telling everyone about how they can clearly see that the USA is siding with Russia and Israel to pressure Europe, Canada,Turkey, Greenland and middle east. They said what everyone is seeing now is all smoke and mirrors for what’s really coming.
Better rip that bandaid now. That way we know that there is no way back and we may still have sufficient time to prepare. We will come out at the other hand stronger, more united and more independent
It may be more immediately gratifying for bridges to be openly burnt on our end but, during a rapid upheaval, it’s more sensible for politicians to make plans quietly. It would be great if Europe had the military equivalent of ‘fuck you’ money but a buildup takes time and would, paradoxically, be slowed by hastening the situation (as resources that could be spent on the buildup have to be spent instead on more rapid, limited results).
The fact that they’re being measured in their statements should be reassuring, it’s a sign we’re not governed by populists.
Yeah I mean, if our foreign minister is being called a „small man” in public by some shithead American officials, however could we be allies after that lol
The majority of this has happened in about 2 weeks, after decades and decades of alliance. Many countries are entwined with the US or even dependent on them for certain things. I understand the need to keep trying with them, especially as its all happening so fast. I sort of hope something happens soon that causes an undeniable break though, because maybe I’m paranoid, but I’m increasingly feeling like they’re just fucking with us.
I hope our leaders all know they’re just fucking with us and are preparing accordingly.
such a shame. i hate seeing relations with our allies deteriorate more and more each day. i just don’t get it, how could one be so inept at recognizing how bad this is for their country?
Dear Americans, PLEASE stop your government! Only you can do this without a war starting. We’re witnessing a repeat of Belarus, except on a much, much greater scale. Please do massive protests, lay down work and boycott everything. Do what you can to stop Trump.
When people ask “how could the nazis rise to power, why didn’t the Germans oppose them?”, THIS what’s currently happening in the US is how. By doing nothing. Please don’t repeat what the Germans did in 1933 …
I really wish someone with enough legal background (and not just some opinion) could give an actual answer to the looming question: Is the US already in breach with NATO contracts by now? ([Article 8 ](https://www.nato.int/cps/eu/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm))
It’s been dead for many years now. If not dead then on life support. I wouldn’t trust USA regardless who the president is.
They don’t have allies only interests and will throw you under the bus if they benefit from it.
The best way to play this is to ban all .com companies from EU like Russia and China do already, no YouTube, Facebook Amazon Google and others, so the oligarchs that went to the inauguration realise that they chosen the wrong side. Hit them were it hurts, in they bank account.
What breaks me is that NATO was USA’s idea – it was a huge sphere of influence, lost in 2 weeks. You would never do that in a strategy game xD why would a country want to lose that, Trump is one person, why no Republican has stopped him?
I think people are just treating Trump as a storm that will pass. Once he ends his mandate, European leaders expect things will go back to “normal”.
It’s like this.
When someone you don’t really know well, or someone you actively know dislikes you, eventually betrays you it stings a bit but you accept it for what it is – a bad person being bad. You might put in place controls or contracts if you were to deal with them again.
When someone who is a family member or close friend betrays you it doesn’t just sting but completely shatters any feelings you had for that person. You’d never trust them again no matter what.
The USA as a country is dangerously close to the latter for Canada, Mexico, the UK, Europe, Japan, Taiwan and likely others.
These countries will feel closer to each other by their shared sense of betrayal.
I wonder if Americans understand the long term impact.
i’d like to think this is like putin/russia once putin and trump are dead, Russia and the US will rejoin EU in adult negotiations.
We Europeans should burn all essential bridges but wait for the USA to make it official so history remembers it wasn’t our doing.
Since it is already happening (for no good reason) it is in both parties best interest to delay signing it as much as they can, while at the same time cranking up preparations for the departure.
EU needs to militarize asap, their false sense of security coming from the US all this time didn’t do them any favours.
In Canada we are quietly simmering. The US is dead to us now. We are looking for more inter-province trade and self sustaining. Trade with EU and UK is our best bet.
Trump is considering a 250% tariff (**250**) on dairy and Poultry.
[A tariff of…One Million percent](https://i.imgur.com/2qjRFBz.png)
YET !
America can’t be trusted for the next four years. After that I hope we can be friends again.
We’re not even two months deep into this Trump shit show.
Give it 4 years and it will grow like never before
Countries are not bickering children their relationships are built over years and ruined by actions not just words. There has been no action that would ruin this relations, only words that cool down the relations.
We’ll see if the relationship can be repaired post-Trump, but by no means should we go back to relying on the United States ever again
I am, I’ll do it.
Please.
As satisfying as it would be to tell trump to get fucked, he would respond with a tantrum that would cost Europe and the CANZUK countries dearly. Better to let it die unceremoniously and be done with it.
The vibe I’m getting that everybody is silently making plans to distance themselves from the USA and reduce their reliance on it in a way that doesn’t set a massive fire on the gunpowder casket that is trump and musk.
Honestly it’s been such a massive shitshow, I think everyone knew it was gonna be bad, but almost no-one thought it was gonna be this bad this fast.
What I think is happening is that the leaders are doing most of the things behind closed doors in silence because trump and musk have the ego of a preteen, and are looking for a fight constantly, anything to trigger themselves to off to go on an increasingly schizo rants and and justify their pro-russian decisions. It’s a huge mess. Like the fact that the leaders are publically challenging them at all tells me that the situation is extremely dire, like they can appease them a little bit but behind closed doors it must be like a frantic race on the decisions that need to be done and fast, and they know that these guys have chosen their side and everything is just damage control.
Like I can feel it in the air, the whole world is kind of in a deer-in-the-headlights mode, like it’s about to get really bad. 80 years of Pax Americana destroyed in a matter of weeks, not only that but a glaringly obvious alliance with russia, and we’re like wtf are we gonna do now? I dunno if the american public truly even gets it, this time it truly feels like there’s no going back and the implications of that on the USA are gonna be huge. I could be totally wrong though, but I wonder.
PRÉCIS:
#The End of the Transatlantic Alliance?
##Europe and the US Drift Apart
The relationship between the United States and Europe is unravelling, but no leader is yet prepared to declare it dead. Once a steadfast ally, America is now seen as unreliable, even hostile, as it charts a course that leaves European nations questioning their own security.
In a striking shift, the US has begun aligning itself with Russia on key votes in the United Nations, while actively making it harder for Ukraine to defend itself against Russian attacks. By halting arms shipments and restricting access to intelligence, Washington has created an opening for Moscow to intensify its bombing campaign. The impact has been immediate, with Ukraine struggling to intercept Russian missiles and drones. Across Europe, trust in the US as a security partner is plummeting. A recent Danish poll found that ninety-two per cent of the population now believes Denmark should prioritise European security over reliance on the US. In Germany, confidence is even lower, with only sixteen per cent of respondents in a national survey saying they still trust America.
The crisis extends beyond Ukraine. NATO, the cornerstone of transatlantic defence, appears increasingly fragile. Donald Trump has openly questioned whether the US would honour its commitment to defend its NATO allies, casting doubt on the alliance’s future. American military exercises in Europe have been scaled back as Washington looks to cut costs. Meanwhile, Trump has repeatedly expressed interest in taking control of Greenland and has issued veiled threats towards Canada, another NATO ally.
European leaders recognise the danger but are playing a careful game. They maintain a public façade of alliance with the US, but behind closed doors, discussions are focused on a future without Washington’s guarantees. Last week’s emergency EU summit in Brussels made clear that European governments are preparing to go it alone. In a radical shift, EU nations agreed to loosen financial rules in order to pour unprecedented sums into European defence, with nearly six thousand billion kroner earmarked for military investment.
The break is also evident in weapons procurement. Ukraine has already faced difficulties operating American-supplied F-16 fighter jets due to Washington’s control over critical software and spare parts. Fears are growing in Canada that its planned purchase of American F-35 jets could leave it similarly vulnerable. In response, European governments are seeking alternatives, investing heavily in their own arms industries to reduce dependence on US suppliers.
Technology is another battlefield in this transatlantic rift. American dominance in artificial intelligence, satellite communications and cybersecurity is now seen as a potential threat. Elon Musk’s Starlink was poised to provide Italy’s military with satellite services, but Rome has since turned to a European solution instead. The EU is also pushing for homegrown alternatives to American digital infrastructure, wary of the risks of relying on US-controlled systems.
Europe’s shift away from the US could have profound consequences for the American economy. The dominance of US tech giants is largely built on global reliance on their AI and digital platforms. If Europe and other regions decide they cannot trust American technology, the financial future of Silicon Valley could be at risk. European governments are already preparing to pour billions into developing their own AI systems, data networks and quantum computing, a move that would keep vast sums of money within Europe rather than flowing across the Atlantic.
This quiet but dramatic transformation is unfolding in plain sight. Publicly, European leaders continue to engage diplomatically with the US, ensuring that if NATO collapses, it will be Washington that pulls the trigger. But their actions tell a different story. Investments in defence, technology and military autonomy all point to the same conclusion. While no one is ready to sign the death certificate, the transatlantic alliance is, in all but name, over.
The cracks in the transatlantic alliance are no longer subtle fractures but deep, widening rifts. Europe is quietly rearming, building its own defence industry and shifting away from reliance on American security guarantees. Trust in the United States has plummeted, not just because of shifting policies but because Washington’s unpredictability has become a liability. A NATO that exists only on paper is a NATO that no longer serves its purpose. While European leaders maintain diplomatic ties, their actions make it clear they are preparing for a world where the US is no longer a dependable partner. The old order is fading, and what comes next will define the balance of power for decades.
And now it’s finally being talked about. I’m guessing the sanctions are around the corner then. Lovely.
True enough ✅✅✅✅✅✅
Oh poor Europeans!
Americans voluntary deoccupying them and they don’t know what to do now!
Terrible times!
The fatal wound was inflicted on Nov. 5, 2024. It has been an agonizing slow death….but is actually happening a little faster than some of us expected.
This title is a little hyperbolic. Things won’t go back to normal but they will improve after Trump leaves.
I’m personally prepared to NOT spend a single Euro travelling to the US.