Oltre il 50% degli ucraini pensa che West tragga gli aiuti militari nel timore della Russia perdendo la guerra

    https://kyivindependent.com/over-50-of-ukrainians-think-west-fears-russias-loss-in-war-and-hold-back-military-aid-poll-shows/

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    1. hackinghippie on

      Why would Russia losing the war be bad, and why would it warrant holding back aid because of it?

    2. Pizza_sushi_order on

      Why they are scared of Russia lose? Becouse it will fall for many states and some of them will have nuclear powered weapons.

    3. serradal on

      It is logical that he should be cautious if there is no plan for Putin’s replacement and the foreseeable fragmentation of Russia as we know it now.

      And yet it has been seen that Russia has a very short blanket.

    4. lulzcam7 on

      Having multiple new countries with a nuclear arsenal can be a legitimate fear.

    5. Proudofhisname on

      Macron: “Russia must not be humiliated in Ucraine”.

      Yeah, they remember right. Europe and Usa are scared Russia could collapse creating chaos in Asia and Europe. Cina will be the winner of this chaos, nobody want it

    6. Ok-Anxiety8171 on

      The fall of the rotten Russian Empire will be one of the greatest days of humanity, but for some reason they refuse to realize it. As for nuclear bombs, they can always be bought.

    7. No_Conversation_9325 on

      We are pussies, that’s why. USSR collapsed just fine, we convinced them to give up their nukes in return of our guarantees… oh wait!

    8. praetorian1111 on

      I think most governments in Europe just want to see Russia neutered, not taken down. ‘The west’ is no more by the way.
      It’s clear Trump simply don’t want Putin to lose face.

    9. SirMasterDrew on

      I think it’s just our president and his dealings with Russia. Majority of America wants Ukraine to win.

    10. LundiDesSaucisses on

      We’re clearly holding back anyways.

      A friendly reminder that under Biden’s administration, the US only sent 32 tanks out of 3000, **three freaking thousands**, they actually sent less tanks than Germany.

      Same with F16s.

      We have reluctantly increased our military production with the hope that a statu quo will prevail and that russia wouldn’t entirely collapse and that Ukraine wouldn’t entirely win.

      We never thought the US would switch sides, and now here we are, it’s so fucked.

    11. brokenmessiah on

      This is so obvious. I believe this will be the reason that the other european countries pull their support if America pulls its support. Once countries believe Ukraine doesnt stand any chance, its literally a waste of their resources to keep providing what will ultimately just be captured by Russia.

    12. ProtonPi314 on

      I agree with Ukraine. We really held back on the military aid. We could have made this a lot more painful for Russia in the last 3 years. Probably painful enough that Putin would have been forced to return home.

    13. garbagecan1992 on

      optimal situation for the US is bleeding russia out but still keeping it alive as threat for europe

      worse situation would be a russia-europe block with russia feeding europe cheap energy

      so i d say US did pretty well. that was the objective even back to the 90’s/early 2000’s when it blocked any attempt they did to try and integrate with eu

    14. DefInnit on

      Russia not taking most of Ukraine is a loss for the Russian invaders. They were supposed to conquer all of Ukraine, and quickly at that, and they have failed.

      The Finns lost territory to the Soviets but they prevented most of their country being overrun. They then developed into a prosperous country that’s always in those happiest people polls, compared with their invaders who’ve remained miserable and paranoid of their neighbors.

      If Ukraine defines a “win” where they recover their occupied territories, they will need not only far more aid but they must also mobilize far more manpower. Against a much more numerous enemy, they’ll need to throw in a lot of people, unavoidably including their young people, to go on major counteroffensives against heavily entrenched Russians behind deep minefields to hope they can try to get that kind of “win”.

    15. BruceAENZ on

      They aren’t wrong. Even under Biden, the policy seemed to be ‘give Ukraine enough not to lose, but not enough to win’.

      Not just recently either. This seems to have been the case since 2014.

      This seemed to have been due to both economic benefits from Russia (especially for Europe) and, since 2022, fear of what would happen if Russia dramatically lost.

      Plus this war has destroyed Russias warfighting capability in the short term. Although the drawback is that it’s taught them valuable lessons that will make the Russian military far more dangerous long term.

    16. Lost_Writing8519 on

      indeed Trump would loose a close friend and someone helping him win elections so…

    17. tritiatedpear on

      Replace west with United States, and yes this statement is correct

    18. ScottaHemi on

      I mean they’re probably not wrong.

      you want to piss off a nuclear superpower like that???

    19. Calm-Phrase-382 on

      The answers in this thread is dumb. There was direct threat of Russia using a nuclear bomb in the. Ukrainian offensive of 2022 when Russian divisions were getting surrounded. The west fears what Putin would do if they lose in spectacular fashion, because our intelligence knew they were actually debating doing it. These crazy fucks are all in, so it’s a bit of an issue more than reddit probably understands.

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