Dopo aver interrotto il loro accordo con la Francia, gli australiani si preoccupano di non ricevere mai sottomarini americani
https://www.marianne.net/monde/geopolitique/apres-avoir-rompu-l-accord-avec-la-france-les-australiens-s-inquietent-de-ne-jamais-recevoir-les-sous-marins-americains
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Four years after breaking off its agreement with France to everyone’s surprise, Australia is beginning to wonder: what if the Americans never deliver the submarines they’ve already started paying for? In the continental country’s “Guardian”, concern is running high.
Will the Australian submarine project fall through? In any case, it won’t be a splash tomorrow. An article published in the Guardian on March 6, 2025 worries about one possibility: Australia, after having tried to save money by not buying French submarines, risks finding itself without a fleet, due to the failure of its eternal ally, the USA.
Let’s recap. On September 15, 2021, Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom unveil a little bombshell in the defense world: AUKUS. The result of 18 months of secret talks, this agreement provides for extensive military cooperation between Uncle Sam, Britain’s special partner and its Commonwealth ally.
At the heart of the negotiations was the acquisition by the Australian Navy of five British-style submarines, and three American submarines. Mechanically, this agreement puts an end to a commitment to purchase 12 French submarines: a contract worth 56 billion euros. A diplomatic scandal. France even recalls its ambassadors to Australia and the United States, in reaction to what looks like an industrial stab in the back.
No delivery guarantee
Except that, a few years later, it’s all over. Nuclear submarines – in terms of their engines, not their missiles – seem to be slipping away… At any rate, Australians are realizing that they may be the fall guys. In his article for the Guardian, Australian journalist Ben Doherty worries about the sovereignty of future “Australian” submarines: “These nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could fly American flags, carry American weapons, and be commanded and armed by American officers and sailors. Australia, a steadfast ally, is reduced to a forward operational garrison – in the words of the chairman of the US Congressional Foreign Affairs Committee, nothing more than a ‘central base of operations from which to project power’.”
To tell the truth, the very possibility that these submersibles might one day exist raises questions. “In both Washington and Canberra, there is growing concern about the very first step: America’s ability to build the boats it has promised Australia,” says the reporter. The American ally is becoming increasingly unreliable, focusing on its own capabilities rather than cooperation.
Why do I hear faint french laughter in the distance?
Like we say in France :
” I hear “cheh” in my oreillette !”
I might be missing something, didn’t they buy British submarines?
Hahahahaha I mean Australia wanted to play with fire and got burned. What did they expect?
Amazing turn of events
Buy some German Submarines
Australia is on the right side of the globe, they will deliver, question is who’s side is US going to be on further down the line
They picked a discount model from the schoolyard bully. It’s a bit sad. But Australians knows a thing or two about how to swallow their pride with a bit of dignity so hopefully they wil reconnect with old friends.
you would think australia would learn that when turkey nato #2 paid the us for their f35 program and they never got it since they didnt want to sell patriots to lurkey and they bought s400 just to get sanctioned by everyone and never got their money back from the us the australians would question the americans
Do the subs also have remote off-switches? Not a good idea to be in a sub if someone can switch it off from the outside – especially if the button is in the hands of a lunatic.
Trust us, we are horrified about the fuckery our gov did on this. It’s a national disgrace and very likely the reason we have to tread so carefully with no retaliatory tariffs cos these subs literally need to be signed off by trump himself.
In the meantime this shockingly bad deal has matured, France has went on to become one of the most reliable and important weapons exporters in the world. What a shitshow.
France basically fined us $1b I believe Aud but coulda been euro. But sorry anyway. Forgive us eventually pls.
Maybe Australia, and every other country, has to consider “What if US were the bad guys all this time” and then think of all the war crimes and coups committed by them. Maybe it becomes obvious then that bad decisions were made.
Hahahaha classic Australians
Dumb asses just put $800 000 000 downpayment on just 1 of 5 US Nuke subs!!
This is what happened 4 years ago. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-18/france-withdraws-ambassadors-over-submarines-deal/100473106](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-18/france-withdraws-ambassadors-over-submarines-deal/100473106)
I fart in your general direction.
I’m confused. How can America not deliver them? Aren’t they being built in Australia?
Insère *rire narquois en français*
Conservative governments make dumb emotional choices in Australia too
Karma. They treated the French like shit.
Cheh
This will probably be ok, as long as Trump cares about China. Would you trust a US made sub tho?
You would be better off with British ones
As a Frenchman… This month has been fantastic
Ok, karma right there. But what’s the exact point Australia worries about? Trump’s administration not honoring commercial commitments even when the US is actually the seller? Or the US’ ability to even build what they promised because Trump is cutting budget left and right? Or both?
Who trusts America now lol?
We’re not worried
We already know the previous aust government signed a raw deal
It really does not make strategic sense to leave AUS dead in the water since the main US focus is China.
Aussie here – opposed dicking France over like that, dumb conservative government we votes out last election did it
I think someone down under got a lesson
If any Australians are surprised, that’s their own fault. Speaking as an Australian, many of us were wondering why the government had dropped acid before reneging on the French deal and entangling us in whatever hell this US thing is, and were fairly irate about it.
Then it became “what’s done is done, don’t show weakness” and pretending that this was a reasonable decision by a lot of the same people who’d been insulting this idiocy weeks before. Those people are still trying to defend and make excuses for this, and good luck with that.
We know we fucked up. We knew it the second it was announced. The only thing that’s altered is that now the US are blatantly admitting they’re thieves, and so the copium crew are doing their thing.
The French *should* be laughing.
When AUKUS was announced, we gave a bitter laugh, disgusted by the betrayal of our “allies,” the Americans and the British.
Then, when it turned out that the U.S. couldn’t even build their submarines, we started laughing.
Now that Trump is in power and the announcements keep piling up on the subject, we are laughing out loud… and waiting for the Australians to come back and sign a contract with us.
They screwed the French on the deal and now got screwed themselves, hard to have sympathy for them as when they made the jump it was known the deal was to keep alot of the US shipyards on life support.
I’d not begrudge the French charging them more if they came back.