After that political mess caused by Trump we all got thrown into, it‘s nice to atleast see some positive news
Wonderful-Variation on
Well, at least some good news.
Inevitable-Push-8061 on
Finally, some good news. I hope peace in the Caucasus will quickly follow the EU enlargement. I would like to see all three Caucasus countries in the EU, as well as Turkey.
Jealous-Hedgehog-734 on
I think you need r/Asia.
ArtemisJolt on
Good news, in 2025 AD?
I’ll take it
deusexmachina_lol on
Very unfair towards Armenia. Azerbaijan should allow Karabakh Armenians to return back to their lands and stop their resettlement plans
P.S: whats up with all the Turkish bots taking over the sub recently lol
Norby123 on
Well, let’s not forget that Azerbaijan (a muslim country) committed genocide against the Armenians (the oldest Christian ethnic group). After Azerbaijan starting an invasion and occupying Karabakh (the saint land of Armenians) Azerbaijan is “gracefully” ready for peace talk? How convenient…. F**king deceitful, disingenuous, double-faced despots…
But as long as Armenians are fine with this, I’m happy for them.
FaustDeKul on
In some cases the presence of an insane neighbor corrupts, and in some cases it helps you come to your senses and agree at least amongst yourselves.
nickdc101987 on
Says nothing about the actual terms of the agreement. Ok Armenia is giving up some claims but the main worry is that Azerbaijan will try and create and land bridge to its exclave and the resolution to this is not mentioned in the article. Have they found a solution to this or is this still a risk for Armenia? If this one remains unresolved, then nothing meaningful has been achieved, which would be very typical of this decade.
2sexy_4myshirt on
Nice. Now let’s join forces and go get Greenland!
Remote-Area6548 on
It is good for parties and the region; I am saying it as a Turkish citizen. Let’s open the land borders between all three countries and everybody will get benefit from it. Armenia will have access to new ports (Trabzon, Mersin) instead using Georgia and nearly all trucks will use Armenia as a transit point between Azerbaijan and Turkey. Turkish goods would be directly reach Armenia and with a cheaper price. Armenia has the advantage of beiing in the crossroads of Iran, Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan. I hope all parties behave responsibly.
S_T_P on
“Agree”, not “sign”.
>> An agreement is ready to be signed, **but Azerbaijan has a few last requirements.**
Nuances.
Thunder_Beam on
I mean the peace treaty will happen because Armenia lost, its that simple, just take a look
>After Armenia accepted the two remaining elements of a peace deal from Azerbaijan, the latter laid out several formal requirements that Armenia must complete before the deal can be signed.
>“As the next step, Azerbaijan expects that Armenia will amend its Constitution and … eliminate claims against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov.
>Bayramov added that in order to seal the deal, Armenia must also dissolve the Minsk Group, a 1992 format created under the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and co-headed by the U.S., Russia and France to resolve a conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh border region between the two countries.
This is just a surrender, similar to the treaties of Paris of 1947, Armenia is just accepting Azerbaijan demands without any fightback
Operalover95 on
The same people cheering on this are the ones who say no peace deal can be reached in Ukraine that involves loss of territory.
Armenia agreed to a peace treaty because they lost, as simple as that.
dat_9600gt_user on
**An agreement is ready to be signed, but Azerbaijan has a few last requirements.**
Armenia and Azerbaijan agreed to the terms of a long-awaited peace treaty Thursday that could end a decades-long conflict that began with the fall of the Soviet Union.
After Armenia accepted the two remaining elements of a peace deal from Azerbaijan, the latter laid out several formal requirements that Armenia must complete before the deal can be signed.
“As the next step, Azerbaijan expects that Armenia will amend its Constitution and … eliminate claims against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov.
Bayramov added that in order to seal the deal, Armenia must also dissolve the Minsk Group, a 1992 format created under the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and co-headed by the U.S., Russia and France to resolve a conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh border region between the two countries.
Meeting these demands could take some time, given that amending the constitution requires that a referendum be held. The Armenian PM called for a referendum on a new constitution in February.
Still, observers hailed the agreement as representing significant progress toward peace.
“This is an unprecedented breakthrough in what was deadlocked diplomacy,” said Richard Giragosian, director of the Regional Studies Center, an independent think tank based in Armenia.
Given how long it will take to meet Azerbaijan’s final demands, they should not be prerequisites for signing the peace treaty but rather a matter for further discussion, Giragosian added. “Both sides [should] sign the peace treaty and continue talks,” he said, though noted that skepticism remained a barrier.
“There is a degree of wariness in Armenia that this may be too good to be true. There are expectations that Azerbaijan may actually continue to demand more concessions.”
The two countries have yet to negotiate when and where the peace deal will be signed. Armenia proposed issuing a joint statement following the agreement of terms but Baku declined, Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said.
Armenia and Azerbaijan have fought a series of conflicts in recent years, with an Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh last September forcing the region’s 100,000 residents to flee.
SpeedDaemon3 on
And Trump’s peace nobel prize is gone…
Chester_roaster on
Congratulations both, sometimes war is needed to end a decades long conflict.
miramichier_d on
It’s interesting that part of the peace deal involves amendments to the Armenian constitution. As a Canadian, I think one of steps that America needs to make post-Trump and post-MAGA is a constitutional amendment that specifically recognizes Canada’s territorial integrity. That among other changes that ensure that the people never elect a malignant narcissist who ignores the constitution ever again. Not really Europe related, but an interesting part of the article I wanted to expand on.
Something that is Europe related, more like related to the developed world, most of which is in Europe, is what agreements we need to make after this current cycle of Kafkaesque absurdity. I personally think that the developed world needs to consider limiting how wealthy individual people can become. Where any amount above something like 1B needs to be surrendered to the public. We’ve all allowed billionaires free run of the world, and they’re not being shy right now about their desired place in it. To the point that some of them bought control over the most powerful nation on Earth. We need an agreement, the scale of which we haven’t seen since the Magna Carta, to curb the control of these billionaires. Trump is just a symptom of this serious problem.
Kind of a rant, but an expansion of the idea of agreements being instrumental to creating and maintaining peace.
toolkitxx on
quote *’Azerbaijan has a few last requirements’*
So nothing is done nor ready to be signed yet.
drugosrbijanac on
I assume that enlightened r/europe supports Serbia retaking Kosovo because of UN Law as well?
ChallahTornado on
Does this mean Azerbaijan will drop its talks about “West-Azerbaijan” when they talk about Syunik?
hereandthere788 on
It reads more like a capitulation from Armenia than a peace deal.
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After that political mess caused by Trump we all got thrown into, it‘s nice to atleast see some positive news
Well, at least some good news.
Finally, some good news. I hope peace in the Caucasus will quickly follow the EU enlargement. I would like to see all three Caucasus countries in the EU, as well as Turkey.
I think you need r/Asia.
Good news, in 2025 AD?
I’ll take it
Very unfair towards Armenia. Azerbaijan should allow Karabakh Armenians to return back to their lands and stop their resettlement plans
P.S: whats up with all the Turkish bots taking over the sub recently lol
Well, let’s not forget that Azerbaijan (a muslim country) committed genocide against the Armenians (the oldest Christian ethnic group). After Azerbaijan starting an invasion and occupying Karabakh (the saint land of Armenians) Azerbaijan is “gracefully” ready for peace talk? How convenient…. F**king deceitful, disingenuous, double-faced despots…
But as long as Armenians are fine with this, I’m happy for them.
In some cases the presence of an insane neighbor corrupts, and in some cases it helps you come to your senses and agree at least amongst yourselves.
Says nothing about the actual terms of the agreement. Ok Armenia is giving up some claims but the main worry is that Azerbaijan will try and create and land bridge to its exclave and the resolution to this is not mentioned in the article. Have they found a solution to this or is this still a risk for Armenia? If this one remains unresolved, then nothing meaningful has been achieved, which would be very typical of this decade.
Nice. Now let’s join forces and go get Greenland!
It is good for parties and the region; I am saying it as a Turkish citizen. Let’s open the land borders between all three countries and everybody will get benefit from it. Armenia will have access to new ports (Trabzon, Mersin) instead using Georgia and nearly all trucks will use Armenia as a transit point between Azerbaijan and Turkey. Turkish goods would be directly reach Armenia and with a cheaper price. Armenia has the advantage of beiing in the crossroads of Iran, Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan. I hope all parties behave responsibly.
“Agree”, not “sign”.
>> An agreement is ready to be signed, **but Azerbaijan has a few last requirements.**
Nuances.
I mean the peace treaty will happen because Armenia lost, its that simple, just take a look
>After Armenia accepted the two remaining elements of a peace deal from Azerbaijan, the latter laid out several formal requirements that Armenia must complete before the deal can be signed.
>“As the next step, Azerbaijan expects that Armenia will amend its Constitution and … eliminate claims against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov.
>Bayramov added that in order to seal the deal, Armenia must also dissolve the Minsk Group, a 1992 format created under the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and co-headed by the U.S., Russia and France to resolve a conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh border region between the two countries.
This is just a surrender, similar to the treaties of Paris of 1947, Armenia is just accepting Azerbaijan demands without any fightback
The same people cheering on this are the ones who say no peace deal can be reached in Ukraine that involves loss of territory.
Armenia agreed to a peace treaty because they lost, as simple as that.
**An agreement is ready to be signed, but Azerbaijan has a few last requirements.**
Armenia and Azerbaijan agreed to the terms of a long-awaited peace treaty Thursday that could end a decades-long conflict that began with the fall of the Soviet Union.
After Armenia accepted the two remaining elements of a peace deal from Azerbaijan, the latter laid out several formal requirements that Armenia must complete before the deal can be signed.
“As the next step, Azerbaijan expects that Armenia will amend its Constitution and … eliminate claims against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov.
Bayramov added that in order to seal the deal, Armenia must also dissolve the Minsk Group, a 1992 format created under the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and co-headed by the U.S., Russia and France to resolve a conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh border region between the two countries.
Meeting these demands could take some time, given that amending the constitution requires that a referendum be held. The Armenian PM called for a referendum on a new constitution in February.
Still, observers hailed the agreement as representing significant progress toward peace.
“This is an unprecedented breakthrough in what was deadlocked diplomacy,” said Richard Giragosian, director of the Regional Studies Center, an independent think tank based in Armenia.
Given how long it will take to meet Azerbaijan’s final demands, they should not be prerequisites for signing the peace treaty but rather a matter for further discussion, Giragosian added. “Both sides [should] sign the peace treaty and continue talks,” he said, though noted that skepticism remained a barrier.
“There is a degree of wariness in Armenia that this may be too good to be true. There are expectations that Azerbaijan may actually continue to demand more concessions.”
The two countries have yet to negotiate when and where the peace deal will be signed. Armenia proposed issuing a joint statement following the agreement of terms but Baku declined, Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said.
Armenia and Azerbaijan have fought a series of conflicts in recent years, with an Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh last September forcing the region’s 100,000 residents to flee.
And Trump’s peace nobel prize is gone…
Congratulations both, sometimes war is needed to end a decades long conflict.
It’s interesting that part of the peace deal involves amendments to the Armenian constitution. As a Canadian, I think one of steps that America needs to make post-Trump and post-MAGA is a constitutional amendment that specifically recognizes Canada’s territorial integrity. That among other changes that ensure that the people never elect a malignant narcissist who ignores the constitution ever again. Not really Europe related, but an interesting part of the article I wanted to expand on.
Something that is Europe related, more like related to the developed world, most of which is in Europe, is what agreements we need to make after this current cycle of Kafkaesque absurdity. I personally think that the developed world needs to consider limiting how wealthy individual people can become. Where any amount above something like 1B needs to be surrendered to the public. We’ve all allowed billionaires free run of the world, and they’re not being shy right now about their desired place in it. To the point that some of them bought control over the most powerful nation on Earth. We need an agreement, the scale of which we haven’t seen since the Magna Carta, to curb the control of these billionaires. Trump is just a symptom of this serious problem.
Kind of a rant, but an expansion of the idea of agreements being instrumental to creating and maintaining peace.
quote *’Azerbaijan has a few last requirements’*
So nothing is done nor ready to be signed yet.
I assume that enlightened r/europe supports Serbia retaking Kosovo because of UN Law as well?
Does this mean Azerbaijan will drop its talks about “West-Azerbaijan” when they talk about Syunik?
It reads more like a capitulation from Armenia than a peace deal.