La soluzione è un’Europa federale! Federalisti a Roma
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La soluzione è un’Europa federale! Federalisti a Roma
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As good as a federal Europe sounds, the strength and uniqueness of Europe has always been in how different all the countries are, both culturally and in everything else, but still united under one institution.
Federal Europe can’t be democratic and functional at the same time.
No it isn’t. Stop thinking in extremes, you’re only hurting the cause in the process. Europeans are more united than ever, advocating for stupid stuff like that will do way more harm than good. Just embrace what we have and build on that foundation.
Agreed. But we need to call it something else.
It shouldn’t be a federation but a unique multi-tier union where the “federation” part is the core. Any countries not willing to join the federation can still be part of the union but they won’t get the benefits of a bigger economy if scale in one country.
It shouldn’t follow the standard federal model of Germany or the US either. We can create something tailor made for Europe. The EU is already unique.
**When people hear “federal Europe” they think of the US but it would be wildly different and no one president should be in charge. If anything it should be some kind of Triumvirate where 1 new triumvir is elected every 2 years. Possibly with a term limit of 1 per triumvir, or max 2. This way we will have more stable domestic and foreign policies instead of Schizo US.
And how would Europe federalize? How would that even function?
European nations have different interests and attitudes, a mood swing can chance the course of each nation as well.
How about we just boost cooperation, expand the EU, build our infrastructure and economy massively etc. and not be bogged down by collective bureaucracy.
I’d love a more united Europe, buy when it comes to a federation there are important questions to be addressed — How should it work and what extent of non-negotiable freedom the states would get.
I don’t want to be a condominium of hegemon countries. Like, we’re going to invest in military industry? Cool! How much boost will my state’s industry get? Oh!? Those are only the French and the German ones? We have to be sole buyers of everything developed? Right…
Integrating a federalist system is not a short-term solution. It can serve as a vision and thus as a guard rail for further development in Europe.
A federalist Europe is possible, but only through long development work. Europe is already strong, but could be much stronger and more efficient. What Europe needs is a clear vision and a future with which we can act confidently.
Doing everything as usual will not work in the long term, as we can see from the growing nationalism.
This solution sounds more like a fig leaf solution than a real one. It’s usually brought up by people trying to divert attention from more decisive and at hand actions.
Except that there is no way in hell especially smaller and peripheral countries would want to give away their sovereignty in sensitive matters. It would essentially mean that the densely populated EU core would decide everything over their heads. The current system requires compromises – a federal system would not, it would just require a qualified majority.
I am all for European cooperation and even more integration, but countries need to retain control over their defence, foreign relations, citizenship and language policies at the very least.
Federalising Europe will just slowly bring the problems of the United States to Europe except worse, as we are much much more different nation to nation than they are state to state. The power will just centralise even more so in the wealthy centre of the continent, and I don’t like the idea of an unfettered Macron type controlling the destiny of Europe with the same impunity as Trump does America.
And it will inevitably move that way, no matter what anyone tells you. If you are French, you want the best for France, as you are French more than you are European, the same with Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, whomever; it is just natural. It isn’t like Michigan vs. Minnesota, or whatever, as those are states with a manufactured culture that formed after the birth of the US. The good of Europe will never come at the expense of anything significant happening to the country of whomever is in power at the time.
Most people consistently identify with their own country overwhelmingly morseo over being European. There are dozens of cultures and languages alien to one another that can coexist for the greater good in the form of the EU, but not as a federation. And Europe this far has shown its reaction to the different ways in which countries deal with their issues is to form a bloated, slow-moving bureaucracy on top of the bureaucracies that already exist in each nation.
People have these kneejerk reactions to bad external actions and think, “Yes! Let’s federalise Europe so we can fight against X superpower as a large bloc!,” when this is perfectly possible without further integration, it’s just not politically expedient.
Centralizing power into the hands of a small political class of elites is exactly what will be the downfall of Europe, as they will build guardrails around the power so that they can control and maintain it through a top down approach. It is dystopian
Nah, we need to be United in common goals yes, but remaining independent and unique is also Important.
I’d love something like Federation of Atlantis. 🙂
Do that. Then move capital to Rome -> rename the federation to Roman Empire -> profit???
Why have a federation for what is already united? No, I am not for it. We’ve seen how a federation has worked out for the US.
What’s that green flag and what’s on it?
What does that green and white flag mean?
Europe is a common library. If enough people read those books we can even be a single nation with different ethnicities. But as we speak this is feasible in the near future. Let’s work out a realistic path to unity.
Coming from Helldivers how about we call it Super Union
People who say that it couldn’t work because of diversities between countries are completely ignoring that the same level of diversity exist within countries… east and west Germany are culturally very diverse, same for northern and southern Italy, their level of diversity is similar to the diversity there is between them and other European countries, and yet it works.. a federal Europe would even allow to make a system designed to handle those differences much better than individual unitary states can
Europeans are always weirdly statist
The devil is in the details. Perhaps many of us agree that we need to be more united, but the brass tacks of our continent is that we are many proudly independent nations, we’ve got different red lines, we have different systems, etc. So it’s kind of impossible to judge a federal EU…unless the assumption is that it’s based on some existing federation, in which case we’d probably be judging said federation more than the hypothetical EU.
The current system could do with changes though – the veto situation, some deregulation, etc. There’s also the possibility that we could do fine if such changes are made, and a federal EU isn’t necessarily pursued?
Independent of the whatever the political shape of the continent is, I think it’s important for us to study things assiduously and share knowledge, we’re all learners…the social dimension of things is important.
The US of E
As the global geopolitics is changing, eventually the only way will be a federated Europa to remain relevant, and avoid the domination of superpowers.
There are a lot of aversions in Europeans regarding a federation, so this should be done step-by-step, or even in a multi-tier system where some countries are in the core, others are in the perifery in partner status. But I think eventually there is no other way. Besides the superpowers, and the Putinist wet dream of a Yalta 2.0 the EU is weak if it’s divided.
We would need democratic and not degressive voting rights in the parliament. Hard to digest for smaller countries.
Europe would be much better off if it reorganized into one nation. Redundant and overlapping processes could be reduced. Issues could be resolved faster to better serve the people. The combined monetary power would be incredible thus increasing world relevance.
I don’t want us to become a United States of Europe. I don’t want us to have one president.
What would federalist Europe mean?How would that work?
A federal Europe do do what ? That’s the only question that matters. To do what ?
This would be amazing but it needs to be a true and protected democracy. Unlike the US and Russia we can not afford to give 1 person so much power.
Each country could elect a number of representatives. And create a huge union of democratically elected individuals, with a span of different political beliefs.
If this became reality which I hope it does, we need numerous heads of states, like a hydra.
Rather than centralised power, which as history clearly shows is dangerous.
In a fucked up way, isn’t Trump’s behavior just strengthening Western Europe moving forward?