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    L’Europa potrebbe essere un “paradiso” per i ricercatori statunitensi, afferma il presidente del CER

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    2. QuirkyLady2023 on

      Where are the permanent positions? They don’t have enough positions for their own researchers. How will they accommodate more? Especially those who were paid much better in US?

    3. VigorousElk on

      Sure. If we ignore the lower funding, lack of tenured positions, lower salaries … Americans from all sorts of professional backgrounds frequently look to Europe as a place to move and escape the US’ problems – then they do their research, run into Europe’s own problems and reconsider. Most of all due to the gap in (disposable) income, especially for graduates.

    4. madeleineann on

      European wages are a joke compared to the wages offered in even the poorer states. People seem to forget that France and the UK are on par with Mississipi and Germany would also be one of the poorest states on a per/capita basis.

      I’m sure many professionals would love to move to Europe, but we are just not competitive enough compared to America. It’s definitely one of our biggest issues.

    5. VillagePatrick on

      Lower wages yes, but affordable healthcare and just the overall benefit of not being in the U.S. anymore. Not everything is about money.

    6. KHolito on

      How?

      There are virtually no tenure positions open, post docs are already scarce, and basically any job in academia is underpaid.

    8. h0ls86 on

      It’s time to brain drain a country that is galloping towards authoritarianism, huh? Well I’m all for that.

    10. JazzlikeChemical2041 on

      These comments miss the biggest factor — language. Most American researchers do not speak French, German, and the rest of the languages of Europe

    11. WP27I on

      Except Europe pays researchers like shit, someone even at Cambridge can often expect not even 40k

      edit: why is this flagged as controversial you idiots, you can easily look up postdoc and higher wages and they’re fucking horrible in Europe, you’d be better off even in Canada or Australia, postdocs in Australia get almost UK full professor pay, nobody can do this for free, Europe has to actually do something to earn researchers back

    12. Specialist-Body7700 on

      Are you fucking serious? My friend was working at her lab as a researcher while doing a biotechnology PHD and she made 1400 € a month and did insane hours. These eurocrat politicians are so out of touch it’s insulting.

      It’s great that you want to attract american talent but at least have a honest look at the precariousness we face here, particularly in southern europe. It’s no wonder that people quit these careers.

    15. StrokeOfGrimdark on

      Unpopular opinion: Many aren’t the sort of researchers we need tho. Don’t get me wrong: social researchers are great too, but we already got plenty of those in Europe. What we need are tech researchers. Most tech researches are fine in the US momentarily and won’t be looking to relocate.

    16. MethyleneBlueEnjoyer on

      Europe is utterly unprepared to reap the benefits of this windfall. A prospective researcher who actually gets serious about moving out of the US and starts doing their homework will find in Europe, once they get past the PR, a devastated market, both public and private.

      Sure, some will look past that, but anyone whose life is basically not entirely politics at this point will probably just relocate to some blue state instead.

      Basically, it’s raining money and Europe isn’t even carrying a purse let alone a huge basket, so it’ll have to make do with whatever it can carry in its pockets.

    17. MrOphicer on

      Then they hear how much it pays here and laugh, go back, and profess love to Trump. People act like scientists, for some reason, belong to a different kind of humans that re incapable of the greatest human vices.

    19. wannabe-physicist on

      Throw some money behind that talk first. The EU doesn’t have enough funding for EU researchers, forget Americans.

    21. Sriber on

      Why do people keep bringing up wages when the issue is researchers in USA facing high risk of defunding or losing their jobs?

    22. lihr__ on

      Man, show me some fucking serious investment in research then! Show me more grants to compete for. Funding you have to fight for, but it’s huge. Because that is why scientists go to the US. Besides higher salaries, the US system provides an unparalleled amount of money to actually do cutting edge experiments with cutting edge equipment which is fucking expensive. This how progress happens.

    24. just_damz on

      I was fucking waiting for this. Nothing easier to drain the brains out of a nation when you kill research funds.

    25. Dalnore on

      Hard to believe. The European academia is extremely competitive and underpaid already.

    28. kondenado on

      Depends on the type of researchers that will come. If they are researchers on robotics, micro and nano fabrication, additive manufacturing, advanced materials, or like them yup. They could be a good opportunity for EU.

    29. bluAstrid on

      You the place where knowledge is cherished and celebrated?

    31. txipper on

      Europe needs to fund university research on the US model and they’ll get thousands of applicants.

    32. IcyExtent3740 on

      Bildung steht halt nicht auf der Prioritätenliste ganz oben.

    34. Still-Bookkeeper4456 on

      I don’t think that lady (and people in this sub apparently) realizes how much better US universities are compared to Europe. 

      Harvard endowment is around 50B USD. UC Berkeley has a parking lot for Nobel prizes. About a quarter of MIT physics professors have a wolf medal or a Nobel prize. 

      European universities are a joke. Salaries, campuses, labs, grants, nothing compares. Wishful thinking doesn’t get you anywhere.

    36. sirbradleyfloof on

      I’m a junior scientist in biotech who has been laid off twice in two years (feeling quite annoyed with capitalism…), have been wanting to go back for a PhD in drug delivery or virology for a while now, but universities are in a panic as grants are being randomly frozen and major funding cuts up in the air. Not only are graduate admissions dropping dramatically, but I would hate to be halfway into my phd just to get screwed by finances being slashed. Been looking at universities outside the US for this reason (also would love to live abroad, learn a new language).

      I’ve also been trying to fight the administration here with protests, boycott, volunteering locally, and would feel guilty running away to another country to take a student position away from a citizen there. But maybe it could be a win-win to brain drain the US and contribute scientifically to strengthen your lovely countries over in Europe. I don’t know, tbd.

    38. Efficient_Falcon_402 on

      Kinda like when the Americans took all the Nazi scientists after WWII.

    39. ActualDW on

      Don’t think many top people are going to sign up for a 60% drop in pay and a 30% increase in taxes….

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