Il Regno Unito “deve pagare nel fondo di antrocomamenti dell’UE” per beneficiare di esso
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/uk-must-pay-into-eu-rearmament-fund-to-benefit-from-it-qcppsss7n?utm_source=chatgpt.com®ion=global
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Completely fair. I do hope Starmer decides to pay into it because both European and UK defense contractors would benefit from joint investments.
That’s 100% fair for everyone.
I don’t think anyone of sound mind would disagree as long as it’s balanced and fair.
This needs to be done now. The defence problem is Europe wide, not just EU and the UK is a major part of that.
Where do we sign?
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Leave it to the British tabloid media to somehow paint this into something negative again though.
Our defence companies are excluded as we don’t have a defence pact with the EU directly. We don’t need to pay into it and I doubt we would even be allowed to as the funds are for use by Eu countries only.
Are Japan and South Korea paying in?
That’s fine, it can work like how Horizon does at present with the UK and EU. Does that mean the UK doesn’t have to sign a defence agreement with the EU ?
Also OP, can you copy-paste the article, I hit a paywall.
Can someone clear this up for me because I must have this wrong.
*There are several non-european countries involved like Japan, Korea & Canada ect
*This is because they have a defence pact with the EU
*The UK wants a defence pact with the EU, but there are added concessions such as fishing rights & migration
*Other countries don’t have those type of terms?
*This isn’t about the UK being given a portion of the EU rearmament fund, but simply having the right to trade with a country that would use a portion of that fund for UK technologies?
Like surely this can’t be it, right? Can someone clarify it for me, because this just seems like a massive “fuck off” to the UK.
Basically what I’m confused about is, are countries such as Japan, Korea ect having to also pay, or is this an extra payment for the UK only?
Well yeah. This isn’t about the indirect benefit of being part of a security alliance but the direct benefit of receiving funding and equipment from the rearmameny fund. It makes total sense.
Fair enough
The one the French are currently trying to block us from joining?
And the EU will pay into UK rearmament to benefit from it?
Remember Aukus?
Agreed… was this an issue somehow? Ofcourse you have to contribute to receive.
Well yea. And I hope we do. We must stand together. Actually might even be able to leverage this to regain the Galileo access we lost after brexit.
Not sure I agree with this statement. This smacks of horse trading on a subject that is too important to be wasting time.
If we agree for a moment that Europe (not just the EU) must rearm to combat Russian aggression, then all countries will have a rearmament plan. The EU countries could obviously have a single plan to which they all sign up.
If we also agree that nations throughout Europe have different arms industries that are providing various levels of capabilities and expertise and some will be the best in class for a particular capability. Some of these companies will be British and others from countries within the EU (as well as some from across other parts of the world).
Given the nature of the immediate threat, it seems crazy that the argument from the EU will be that they won’t be buying any British capabilities unless Britain (who will separately be increasing their own defence spending) contributes to the EU fund. Does this mean that none of the funds money would be going to any supplier outside of the EU? I.e. how is purchasing from Britain any different to buying from Canada, Israel or any other country where that is the best / only option?
I get that countries want to support their own industries but this stance just feels like the wrong one to be making at the wrong time.
Mixed feelings on my side. On one hand I would love for UK to move back into more integration with the EU, as we are stronger united, and both strange and unity will be in demand in coming years.
On the other hand it would be beneficial to not close ourselves into a EU only bubble – we can work with SK, Japan, India, Turkey and so on. Let’s use one in a lifetime opportunity that the biggest player in the market has shooting his foot time and time again. Wouldn’t it be great to be able to create some kind of connections with this money?
In my opinion time is short, so using other centers of production is beneficial. Ofc it would have to be on our rules – full licensing and localisation of production in the near future. Like for example Korean K9 howitzer becoming more and more popular both globally like in Europe – it would be great if we could be able to independently produce them, and upgrade them, work on localised versions and still be part of the global supply chain for other K9s.
Ehhh, I’m a dreamer after all, so maybe a more pragmatic approach EU is planning is better. But I would love to see Europe as an important player in terms of exporting security worldwide. We are so close to ending up as XIX century China to be modest in our plans.
I think it’s quite irresponsible to drop this paywalled headline here, without even any context – **who is saying this**? Someone from EU/UK? Some political commentator who has *no actual decision making power*?
These things matter.
Already there’s comments “well the EU should pay for our defence then”.
Obviously.
Uhm, yeah ?
I don’t think this is the safest way as you can generate political backlash in UK.
The best ways are A: Contract between UK and EU with reciprocal benefit (e.g. I investv X you guarantee me you will buy my products for Y). B: A really international found where UK, Norway, Iceland, and all EU willing countries are contributing, potentially open to Canada.
Well duh? We would expect nothing less, seeing as we’re not an EU member anymore?
Not sure why this story is attracting the amount of attention that it is.
I take it Norway, Japan and South Korea are paying into this fund then
Of course lol
The UK will just kill off a few more sick and disabled than they planned to cover it, it’s fine.
Fair to be honest, at this point, however Both the UK and EU nations should be working together on a shared defence plan, and it looks like we are, but as always it seems to much red tape.
No way! Europeans will have to pay for their defense instead of freeloading!
Guys can we settle this cockfight later and escort Putin out of Ukraine ?
Well, duh
As a UK citizen I think that’s more than reasonable and I would not surprise me if we end up excluded due to Brexit and the politics around that. The whole Trump & Musk shitshow has shown that the UK cannot trust the US to be a reliable strategic partner, which was one of the bedrocks of Brexit.