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    La volontà irlandese di unirsi alla NATO potrebbe alleviare l’unificazione

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    1. Elbon on

      Why the feck would you post this it been a lovely Friday so far, now everyone is going to be all uppity.

    2. FearTeas on

      I understand where the author is coming from, but I think they’ve underestimated how vociferous the anti-NATO position is in Ireland. Also, I’m in favour of compromises to be made with Northern Protestants in order to get them to agree to unification. But let’s be real here, no compromise will ever be enough for them to vote for unification in any meaningful degree. I don’t really see the point in making compromises on our side if they’re not going to make any on theirs.

    4. Love_Science_Pasta on

      We punch above our wait in everything except self respect.

      NATO or not, we should be proud to defend what we have here and make ourselves a steel porcupine and not a free lunch for everyone else.

    5. hype_irion on

      NATO: One trump meltdown away from being dismantled

      Ireland: Sure, we’ll finally join 😉

    6. CiarraiochMallaithe on

      Funny enough, very similar promises were made to Ireland during the two world wars…

    7. champagneface on

      “Most Protestants would want a united Ireland to be in nato. Northern Irish Catholics, too, are much more likely to back membership than are Irish down south. Joining nato might help overcome reluctance to unification among those most opposed to it.“

      Wish they’d included some figures or more analysis to go along with this lol.

      I’m pro neutrality but I feel most anti arguments I see aren’t necessarily pushing for NATO, which is surely in a bit of a wobbly phase right now.

    8. chuckleberryfinnable on

      Every time a NATO thread is posted on r/Ireland, I am reminded how at odds I seem to be with everyone else on this sub. I’ll just say it: Ireland should join NATO and not as some sort of olive branch to unionists.

      NATO is a defensive alliance and with Russia now actively bringing war to Europe and attempting to destabilise democracies in the West, there’s no better time to signal our commitment to Europe, democracy and our allies. Bring on the downvotes.

    9. ZestycloseBeach5946 on

      I don’t think unionists give a shit about whether we’d join NATO or the commonwealth.

      The disagreement is about identity itself which is much harder to debate or give concessions to. Some people would care less but in those cases I think the arguments to be made would have to be around economics and day to day stuff

    10. agithecaca on

      The “journal that speaks for British millionaires” has decided to speak for Ireland

    11. HappyMike91 on

      If unification was as simple as just joining the Commonwealth or joining NATO, it would have happened by now. Unionists only really care about identifying as British, so it’s always going to be difficult to convince them to be (at the very least) okay with unification. And they don’t have any interest in compromising.

    12. funglegunk on

      Irish willingness to join NATO will make butter and spuds cheaper and tastier. May also result in a new season of Father Ted

    15. GDPR_Guru8691 on

      NATO is not a benevolent organisation. It does engage in neo-imperialism at times. We should not join. 

      Ireland is seen as an honest nation that stands up for human rights by many countries in the global south. Joining NATO would diminish that. Indeed a benefit we got from that recently was our election to the UN Security Council a few years, ahead of NATO Canada due to votes we obtained in Africa, Asia and South America. In the future, we will be more likely to receive FDI and increased trade by the global south if we stay out of NATO.

      That said, we should not be politically neutral. We should oppose Putin and similar dictators. We should increase the salaries of our armed forces at every level and we should align with the EU and possibly NATO on all aspects of asymmetrical warfare, be it disinformation, protecting our undersea cables and cyber warfare. 

    16. Archamasse on

      All else aside for a second, no, Unionists absolutely couldn’t give a shite if we joined NATO.

    17. JONFER--- on

      Except there is very little public willingness to join NATO. There is a very easy way that the government could find out, have a referendum on the issue of military nonalignment and put the matter to bed permanently.

      Most regular people pay lip service to the idea of unity and how good it will be et cetera et cetera. They know it’s not going to happen any time soon. I would like to see it happen at some point but for the moment the state just couldn’t afford it. When people are confronted with the economic realities of having to subsidise living standards in the North, when standards in the south fall as a result, then having to increase our annual military spending six or seven-fold because of NATO rules.

      Their enthusiasm will cool.

      I am all for modestly increasing our military spending and modernising some parts of our defence forces. But for our benefit, not NATO’s.

      Demographic shifts in the North, coupled with immigration et cetera when eventually take care of unification.

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