Sort of feel like anti-fascists being in *Austria* is a good thing.
shitnotalkforyours18 on
ummm….is the mustache man getting resurrected?
Haarhus_dis on
Now it depends on what happened. If you are a group that messes up (by breaching the law) with the protests, public rallies of other groups (which don’t breach the law) or instigate violence against them you may have problems with the police.
Additional details are needed to asses if the local laws were breached or if this is somethig political that shluld be condemned.
BubbleRabble1981 on
I kinda feel like the far-left dominating the anti-fascist movement robs it a lot of its legitimacy, which is a shame. Not only does it result in the action being intertwined with unrelated far-left politics (resulting in a very exclusionary approach to centrist and right-wing opponents of fascism), it also leads to certain fringes of the movement applying very broad and implausible definitions of fascism.
Realistically, anyone of any moral and ethical integrity can and should be anti-fascist, regardless of political orientation, and for much of the post-war era, it is one of the few topics that united left and right.
I consider myself a small-c conservative, certainly in line with Friedrich Merz’s brand of conservatism, even if I have a distaste for the man himself.
And yet I consider it a patriotic imperative in terms of both my German and British identities to oppose fascism, not necessarily in terms of it being right-wing, but simply representative of authoritarianism and corruption. But honestly, as much as I have sympathy for the stated aims of Antifa (and share their frustrations with the state’s seeming inability to hold back the fascist threat), they undermine themselves with their politics a lot of the time.
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Grizz-Lee-2891 on
sadly thats not uncommon in my beloved country. when the right wing fucks up its like, meh, once again. if the left or alternatives (eg animal right) do smth of that kind in slightest, they’ll get fu*ked up proper…its quite a tragedy
FootCheeseParmesan on
These kinds of threads always force ‘both sides’ liberals and those on the right into bizarre mental contortions in order to avoid giving any kind of validity to socialists.
Everyone is either anti-fascist, or an enabler of fascism.
Which are you?
BasKabelas on
I feel like somehow, being against (anti) facism (“fa”) is seen as wrong? Its like somehow being inclusive and kind (“woke”) is supposed to be a bad thing? Impressive right wing rethoric spreading, I guess.
Konradleijon on
Don’t people know who the most famous Austrian is?
Ashen_ley on
Ah yes the government punishing anti-fascists bc the gov is tootaalllyy not fascistic trust me bro I saw it in a yt video, someone wouldnt lie in those
oksn54 on
A few weeks ago some Nazis attacked Lgqbt+ people and the biggest newspaper (Kronen Zeitung) labeled it as “Heroes” who hunt pedophiles which is completly wrong, Austria has channels like FOX and not just one, Kronen Zeitung, Österreich&Heute Zeitung, OE24, ServusTV this are all like FOX News, someone has to do SOMETHING
MightyTheAlmighty on
r/europe once again showing its full intellectual potential by trying to both sides-ing this
Fernando_III on
Summary: anti-fascists=far-left extremists in this context. It’s like nazis start calling themselves “cat lovers”, it doesn’t make them good
TheBladeguardVeteran on
“A government doesn’t announce itself as fascist, it declares anti-fascists as enemies of the state”
Necessary_Pie2464 on
I think people are ignoring the obvious
The source this article is from is sketch as fuck
Ok I’ve look at some of the other articles and the MAJORITY are bullshit conspiracy with no sources linked
Don’t trust anything from this publication, fucking use your brain people
Edit 1
Ok so MBFC said they are “credible” but with such an left wing bias that makes me look like Margaret Tatcher (I am fairly left wing myself but holy shit this publication is openly Anarchist which, while there is nothing wrong with that inherently, the bias is very noticeable) however the extremely emotional language in the headlines as well as the the fact they seem to be VERY selective in what they cover automatically makes my “sketchy soruce” alarms ring
Edit 2
So before I am accused by someone of doing “enlightened centrism” just know that I am, partially at least, politically aligned with this source (not fully because I am not an Anarchist but anyway) but I do see the obvious bias hyper and stull like this that is “hyperbias” in their wording and such, even if the information they put out is credible, make me a little suspicious automatically
Edit 3
I don’t like the tabloid style “news worded like it’s a opinion piece article” stuff no matter which side it’s on the polotical spectrum or if it agrees with me or not
filiusek on
Good. They are violent anti-european communist thugs.
FATDIRTYBASTARDCUNT on
Why are so many Austrians gone Nazi? have they not learned from the past?
No_Indication_1238 on
Antifa is, comically, fascist.
Slave4Nicki on
Just because younare anti fascist dosnt give you immunity to the law. 95% of political violence in europe is from the left and violence is illegal no matter who you are
okrutnik3127 on
Responded to someone but will post again as it is important and I see a lot of apologist in this thread.
**In Poland both nazism, communism [and fascism and other totalitarian ideologies] are outlawed for a good reason. Both are evil ideologies in the name of which millions perished. They claimed lives of countless polish citizens in concentration camps whether located in the Reich or in Siberia.**
You can quarrel whether one is a little worse or a little better, it doesn’t matter.
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Sort of feel like anti-fascists being in *Austria* is a good thing.
ummm….is the mustache man getting resurrected?
Now it depends on what happened. If you are a group that messes up (by breaching the law) with the protests, public rallies of other groups (which don’t breach the law) or instigate violence against them you may have problems with the police.
Additional details are needed to asses if the local laws were breached or if this is somethig political that shluld be condemned.
I kinda feel like the far-left dominating the anti-fascist movement robs it a lot of its legitimacy, which is a shame. Not only does it result in the action being intertwined with unrelated far-left politics (resulting in a very exclusionary approach to centrist and right-wing opponents of fascism), it also leads to certain fringes of the movement applying very broad and implausible definitions of fascism.
Realistically, anyone of any moral and ethical integrity can and should be anti-fascist, regardless of political orientation, and for much of the post-war era, it is one of the few topics that united left and right.
I consider myself a small-c conservative, certainly in line with Friedrich Merz’s brand of conservatism, even if I have a distaste for the man himself.
And yet I consider it a patriotic imperative in terms of both my German and British identities to oppose fascism, not necessarily in terms of it being right-wing, but simply representative of authoritarianism and corruption. But honestly, as much as I have sympathy for the stated aims of Antifa (and share their frustrations with the state’s seeming inability to hold back the fascist threat), they undermine themselves with their politics a lot of the time.
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sadly thats not uncommon in my beloved country. when the right wing fucks up its like, meh, once again. if the left or alternatives (eg animal right) do smth of that kind in slightest, they’ll get fu*ked up proper…its quite a tragedy
These kinds of threads always force ‘both sides’ liberals and those on the right into bizarre mental contortions in order to avoid giving any kind of validity to socialists.
Everyone is either anti-fascist, or an enabler of fascism.
Which are you?
I feel like somehow, being against (anti) facism (“fa”) is seen as wrong? Its like somehow being inclusive and kind (“woke”) is supposed to be a bad thing? Impressive right wing rethoric spreading, I guess.
Don’t people know who the most famous Austrian is?
Ah yes the government punishing anti-fascists bc the gov is tootaalllyy not fascistic trust me bro I saw it in a yt video, someone wouldnt lie in those
A few weeks ago some Nazis attacked Lgqbt+ people and the biggest newspaper (Kronen Zeitung) labeled it as “Heroes” who hunt pedophiles which is completly wrong, Austria has channels like FOX and not just one, Kronen Zeitung, Österreich&Heute Zeitung, OE24, ServusTV this are all like FOX News, someone has to do SOMETHING
r/europe once again showing its full intellectual potential by trying to both sides-ing this
Summary: anti-fascists=far-left extremists in this context. It’s like nazis start calling themselves “cat lovers”, it doesn’t make them good
“A government doesn’t announce itself as fascist, it declares anti-fascists as enemies of the state”
I think people are ignoring the obvious
The source this article is from is sketch as fuck
Ok I’ve look at some of the other articles and the MAJORITY are bullshit conspiracy with no sources linked
Don’t trust anything from this publication, fucking use your brain people
Edit 1
Ok so MBFC said they are “credible” but with such an left wing bias that makes me look like Margaret Tatcher (I am fairly left wing myself but holy shit this publication is openly Anarchist which, while there is nothing wrong with that inherently, the bias is very noticeable) however the extremely emotional language in the headlines as well as the the fact they seem to be VERY selective in what they cover automatically makes my “sketchy soruce” alarms ring
Edit 2
So before I am accused by someone of doing “enlightened centrism” just know that I am, partially at least, politically aligned with this source (not fully because I am not an Anarchist but anyway) but I do see the obvious bias hyper and stull like this that is “hyperbias” in their wording and such, even if the information they put out is credible, make me a little suspicious automatically
Edit 3
I don’t like the tabloid style “news worded like it’s a opinion piece article” stuff no matter which side it’s on the polotical spectrum or if it agrees with me or not
Good. They are violent anti-european communist thugs.
Why are so many Austrians gone Nazi? have they not learned from the past?
Antifa is, comically, fascist.
Just because younare anti fascist dosnt give you immunity to the law. 95% of political violence in europe is from the left and violence is illegal no matter who you are
Responded to someone but will post again as it is important and I see a lot of apologist in this thread.
**In Poland both nazism, communism [and fascism and other totalitarian ideologies] are outlawed for a good reason. Both are evil ideologies in the name of which millions perished. They claimed lives of countless polish citizens in concentration camps whether located in the Reich or in Siberia.**
You can quarrel whether one is a little worse or a little better, it doesn’t matter.
C’est vraiment le monde a l’envers.