Ursula von der Leyen: l’Europa è pronta a negoziare con gli Stati Uniti. Abbiamo offerto tariffe zero per zero per i beni industriali. Perché siamo sempre pronti per un buon affare. Ma siamo anche pronti a rispondere con contromisure. E proteggerci dagli effetti indiretti attraverso la diversione commerciale.
di yuribear
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Partially giving into financial and economic extortion, to me seems not a very smart thing to do, and what would keep him from doing it again or changing the parameters of existing deals again?
It could be a delaying tactic and an endeavour to try to stabilise current free fall stock markets.
I understand that trying to negotiate is a better option than to immediately retaliate, But this feels more like capitulation then real negotiations.
And on this i don’t agree with the president of the European Commission.
That’s too complex to understand europe you need to do like him roll a dice and declare tariffs
Absolutely fuck that. I am willing to sustain hardship if we stand with other countries and fuck over America. USA has the power to fuck over anybody. But they don’t have the power to fuck over everybody.
Fuck no. No compromise or negotiation with these fascists.
Good news cooler heads are prevailing with EU
It’s basically TTIP that Trump killed his first term. Its bound to fail from the start
Europe calling Trump’s bluff is an amazing move. Lets see what other excuses the orange moron have now….
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-needs-lower-non-tariff-barriers-including-vat-white-house-trade-adviser-says-2025-04-07/
Not going to happen.
It is bullying, plain and simple.
Stupid decision. You don’t negotiate. You wait. You wait for the American people to turn on the president. All you have to do is do nothing.
If he by any miracle accepts, this is something the EU wanted since before Trump I, and he can play it off as much as he wants, but he has been tricked. He’ll come in and demand more in the future, in which case this strategy can be repeated. If he rejects, he has definitely proven that he doesn’t care and justifies a strong response even for people still on the fence. This is very far from capitulation
I don’t really have anywhere else to put this but I do want to share my amazement:
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce3qnyr7y94t?post=asset%3A409313c6-fb69-493f-8195-5b77371dd9df#post](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce3qnyr7y94t?post=asset%3A409313c6-fb69-493f-8195-5b77371dd9df#post)
Less than a week ago I was commenting to say that Trump has handed the rest of the world a ‘destroy the US economy’ button because he will invariably try to outbid all counter tarriffs, and hes now literally behaving exactly as expected.
Anyone who wants to crush the American economy can do this and and Trump will behave so predictably pettily that he will do it for you. 5 years of this is going to see the US economy shot to pieces.
I find Trump as utterly despicable as the next person, but I’m not sure I understand all the aggressive and quite demeaning comments towards the EU here. The proposal is basically an earlier negotiation point between the EU and the US, and more importantly, it shifts the focus to a negotiation around tariffs and not around the trade deficit as Trump so incompetently has done.
However, if the EU continues to play softball if/when this play fails, then yes, I agree that they’re caving into a malignant narcissist, and this will never turn out well for the EU in the long run.
He’ll probably just claim VAT is a tariff or that using 230V is a trade barrier etc etc etc.
The capability of Trump to set the narrative is always astonishing. This is a smart move by decision makers that understand the complexity of the situation, but people want blood because the narrative is one of “winning or losing”. This makes complete sense in EU perspective – also the market diversification (aka the only true measure agaisnt US control) will not happen in a week. Nonetheless, when Trump once again neglects this deal we need to go for the throat: US digital services.
You cannot negotiate with terrorists.
Trump is not a rational actor and cannot be reasoned with. America is crashing, now is the time to rise and take on the mantle that they reject. You cannot realpolitik your way out of this trainwreck. Break free from the American hegemony if you can and stop thinking like underlings.
So the FT was “exaggerating”
I think they will not accept bc they want to EU buying their shitty mill, their shitty chicken and beef… And poison us with sugar like they poison their own people.
As a European and a consumer I don’t want that.
If she can play rude times allow Macron lead us.
Extortion doesn’t stop. Don’t give in to the bastard. His own people will turn on him.
Can I be honest with y’all?
I think we are **past negotiation phase** by now. if there was negotiation/deals to be made, that should have happened before April 2nd.
Let Trump have his war, isolate himself and his people.
I may be irrational now, but I’m sick of EU’s inaction
Same deal as proposed by EU during first Trump’s presidency.
He refused, maybe he will accept this time as a big WIN for him.
And if he refuses again, EU will denounce bad faith and uses its big bazooka (whatever it is).
it should be the other way around: first reciprocal tariffs, then negotiate
Trump said he also wants compensation for the past years EU “stole” from their market. Plus a market favorably leaning toward US.
How in hell are we gonna enable something like that?
They want access to our market with their GMO crops, their chlorinated chicken and hormon-pumped “beautiful” meat. Are we gonna lower our standards and start importing crap while our producers are being held to the highest regulations, or are also our producers going to be allowed pesticides, carcinogenic additives and hormones?
Trump doesn’t want zero-for-zero trade agreements because he can’t make money on zero-for-zero.
For all the criticism this is getting, think the zero for zero tariff thing is a brilliant play. Everyone here knows the EU still won’t buy American cars (just look at Tesla sales), but will be able to export industrial products and their cars duties free into the U.S.
If this doesn’t go anywhere, and Trump won’t talk the EU is issuing its first round of tariffs next week, and will respond to the global tariffs at end of month.
I assume current tariffs specifically on industrial goods is at or around 1% and this a cheap attempt at deescalation as they know the tango will throw a temper tantrum when they are forced to put in actual reciprocal tariffs.
We should retaliate with our full trade might. Appeasement does not work, it only encourages them more. We are the world’s biggest trade block it’s time to show them why.
I’d make an EU wide law that made every US product have a big sticker with Trumps face with a smarmy grin on it with an American flag background and Make America Great Again printed on the bottom.
Watch US imports tank.
My respect for Americans has certainly taken a jab lately. How in the actual hell could they elect this massive cluster fuck??
Offer zero-for-zero then convince your population not to buy American made lol I;m sure people will do it happily.
The fact the response is we are ready to negotiate is capitulation….mistake
Hopefully EU will punch back and not just talk as Trump doesn’t give a f and has to learn it the hard way.
Eu and China are going to sell 10% of the American treasury bonds they held (more than 2000 billions and 768 billions => about 277 billions)
He wants to be on bad terms with everyone so Putin can start invading Europe and Trump jumps ship from NATO.
Stop wasting time with this potus. Act.
Tit for Tat Tat.
As Trump rejected we have to go full in.
Ok, you tried being nice. Time to not be nice.
In other words, calm down or we’ll turn to China. And it’d be about time
Put this stuff on billboards around the US.
There’s a bill to reverse the tariffs on Canada that cleared the senate. Now it has to clear the house, and tbh it just may. Canada was able to successfully convince the US populace that Trumps tariffs were bullshit.
And waaaaay more Trump voters are now more receptive to anti trump opinions than ever
This might be a nice strategy in isolation, but does the EU really want to play these silly games for the next years? Guess it would be better to stop this hard and fast …
Alright… Guys, this is actually a majestic move from Von der Leyen.
Why?
It offers Trump an exit to tariffs shitstorm, it’s not like he wants to take them back or something, but the scenarios here are:
1- Trump accepts and tariffs are gone, everyone wins
2- Trump says no and she’ll have the strength politically to crush any resistance in Europe to the rearm and the integration of the EU (believe it or no, we have some political leaders that are anti Europe and like to suck Trump’s ass)
Now you may think: yeah, of course there’s Trump’s cock suckers, there 400M of people in the EU yeah no, I’m talking about actual governments like Italy’s Meloni
But where is Trump’s cut? Wannabe king needs you to beg, kiss the ring and get a cut if your fortune no matter hiw small.
Vietnam tried the zero for zero play and all they got for their trouble was to be further labelled as cheaters. Let’s see if uvdl fares better.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/07/peter-navarro-says-vietnams-0percent-tariff-offer-is-not-enough-its-the-non-tariff-cheating-that-matters.html