Will our Irish brothers proudly support Turkish accession to the European Union?
Dystopics_IT on
It is more likely that North Ireland will enter EU…along the whole UK
justbecauseyoumademe on
Considering how many regions in the EU that are asking for independence or otherwise i wouldnt be surprised if they stay neutral
CompatWodanaz on
We should really stick to maintaining the status quo rather than trying reunification. It’s in everyone’s interests
The financial burden of reunification is very real. The Republic would have to subsidize NI for the most part. Plus the very real prospect that violence just erupts and exacerbates all over again and you get Troubles Rebooted
Bright_Mousse_1758 on
How to destroy relations with your closest outside trading and diplomatic partner in five minutes for no fucking reason:
-Eat_The_Rich- on
Logical
will_holmes on
That’s called imperialism, Sinn Fein, and it’s generally frowned upon.
The EU, just like Ireland, supports the Good Friday Agreement. The terms are known by all, and it’s not the EU’s role to support one side or the other.
san_murezzan on
Good thing they’re not in power, the EU isn’t going to take the bait with the current geopolitical situation either
LittleSchwein1234 on
How about no?
Mister-Psychology on
Sinn Fein wants to kick the bee nest to gain more votes. They are losing votes fast right now as they are Trump-style bombastic without producing results. It gets tiresome. Furthermore Northern Ireland can just vote on this at any time. EU is not needed. EU can’t do anything about it and you also wouldn’t want to vote right now when the no side and Protestants are in the lead by a bit. Catholics are reproducing at fast rates and will get more than enough yes votes in the future. But the issue is that right now Northern Ireland is in a perfect situation of having a ton of control over themselves and a say in London too. Why would they want to give this up to be part of a greater Ireland that then will fully dominate this poverty stricken region? To me it doesn’t sound that utopian. Are the Catholics in Northern Ireland really planning on the rich upperclass to not control them? Ireland is extremely rich, on paper, and could subsidize the north. But if I was Catholic in Northern Ireland I would never vote yes unless there was a very clear contract on this as why shouldn’t the rich part of the nation help you out? Otherwise they will not get anything besides the right to call themselves Irish with a tiny bit greater conviction?
gadarnol on
There has been a push by ROI’s media and political establishment against Irish nationalism while promoting Ulster unionist and British nationalism. We have seen leading southern commentators float the return of the monarchy, a dual head of state for a united Ireland, permanent unionist cabinet representation in a UI, acceptance of British defence supremacy, justification for the terrorism of the UVF 1912-14, condemnation of those who fought for Irish independence as murderers, attempts to establish a continuity beteeen the colonial police forces of the U.K. era and the modern Irish police, circumvention of the Irish Constitution through secret deals with the U.K., appointment of former RUC officer to head the national security and police of the ROI and so on.
The EU has heard enough from ROI. It is a tax haven, it has distorted EU Brexit deal with its preposterous Protocol and it is in fact ready to re enter some sort of constitutional arrangement with the UK far sooner than it would support an EU defence alliance or federation. If a new EU emerges ROI should be left on the sidelines where it belongs.
HuedJackMan on
This thread is filled with misinformation and just bad takes.
Happy-Flower6440 on
Time to start mopping up Europe’s borders a little. Too many countries, therefore too much cringe.
AddictedToRugs on
Now imagine the UK government providing funding, aid and encouragement to hypothetical groups of Turks living in Cyprus who wanted to push for the Greek half to join the Turkish half. That would be pretty outrageous, right? Probably the sort of thing they shouldn’t do.
I mean, just imagine how annoyed, say, Denmark would be if someone tried to pressure them into giving up Greenland, hypothetically. They’d be livid.
BlackwingF91 on
Why the hell are some in ireland and france trying to start issues with the UK when everyone should be focused on unity against the US, Russia, and China?
Stunning-Ear-9219 on
They forgot about the Good Friday Agreement!
Blacktip75 on
How about we stay the floop away from that powder keg…
_-Burninat0r-_ on
The whole Northern Ireland situation has always confused me. This seems like a thing that will keep simmering, after all Northern Ireland is quite valuable, and I understand the idea of uniting an island from a security perspective, water is the best border which the UK knows better than anyone. It’s not some small rock like Gibraltar with only a 38k population that isn’t really worth the violence of war, at most Spain would just take control of it if the UK ever falls apart in a distant future.
What do the people who actually live in NA want? Do they prefer being part of the UK or part of Ireland?
Genuine question. Lol @ immediate downvotes.
micosoft on
Usual distraction from the myriad of problems Sinn Fein face. The idea that right now is a time to open a massive dispute with the UK 🙄
Dr-Jellybaby on
Ah here. The EU has already made clear if NI wish to unify, they’d be brought into the EU in the same way German Unification worked. What more do they want?
The decision to unify should be left to the people of NI as per the good Friday Agreement. Trying to strongarm unity this way is only going to alienate people you will need to pass such a vote.
Unification will require years of negotiation to figure out what exactly the process should look like. Trying to get the EU on side to push for unity is silly. The UK are allies, trying to sow divisions (right now of all times) is ridiculous.
TheRauk on
An example of why a United EU is never really going to exist. I liked another posters comment the other day. The EU likes to ignore a problem and hopes it will go away.
This is a prime example.
Nanowith on
Having spoken to people from Northern Ireland the biggest sticking point for younger generations seems to be the healthcare system – the Republic needs to sort that out before they can win over the people sitting on the fence.
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Will our Irish brothers proudly support Turkish accession to the European Union?
It is more likely that North Ireland will enter EU…along the whole UK
Considering how many regions in the EU that are asking for independence or otherwise i wouldnt be surprised if they stay neutral
We should really stick to maintaining the status quo rather than trying reunification. It’s in everyone’s interests
The financial burden of reunification is very real. The Republic would have to subsidize NI for the most part. Plus the very real prospect that violence just erupts and exacerbates all over again and you get Troubles Rebooted
How to destroy relations with your closest outside trading and diplomatic partner in five minutes for no fucking reason:
Logical
That’s called imperialism, Sinn Fein, and it’s generally frowned upon.
The EU, just like Ireland, supports the Good Friday Agreement. The terms are known by all, and it’s not the EU’s role to support one side or the other.
Good thing they’re not in power, the EU isn’t going to take the bait with the current geopolitical situation either
How about no?
Sinn Fein wants to kick the bee nest to gain more votes. They are losing votes fast right now as they are Trump-style bombastic without producing results. It gets tiresome. Furthermore Northern Ireland can just vote on this at any time. EU is not needed. EU can’t do anything about it and you also wouldn’t want to vote right now when the no side and Protestants are in the lead by a bit. Catholics are reproducing at fast rates and will get more than enough yes votes in the future. But the issue is that right now Northern Ireland is in a perfect situation of having a ton of control over themselves and a say in London too. Why would they want to give this up to be part of a greater Ireland that then will fully dominate this poverty stricken region? To me it doesn’t sound that utopian. Are the Catholics in Northern Ireland really planning on the rich upperclass to not control them? Ireland is extremely rich, on paper, and could subsidize the north. But if I was Catholic in Northern Ireland I would never vote yes unless there was a very clear contract on this as why shouldn’t the rich part of the nation help you out? Otherwise they will not get anything besides the right to call themselves Irish with a tiny bit greater conviction?
There has been a push by ROI’s media and political establishment against Irish nationalism while promoting Ulster unionist and British nationalism. We have seen leading southern commentators float the return of the monarchy, a dual head of state for a united Ireland, permanent unionist cabinet representation in a UI, acceptance of British defence supremacy, justification for the terrorism of the UVF 1912-14, condemnation of those who fought for Irish independence as murderers, attempts to establish a continuity beteeen the colonial police forces of the U.K. era and the modern Irish police, circumvention of the Irish Constitution through secret deals with the U.K., appointment of former RUC officer to head the national security and police of the ROI and so on.
The EU has heard enough from ROI. It is a tax haven, it has distorted EU Brexit deal with its preposterous Protocol and it is in fact ready to re enter some sort of constitutional arrangement with the UK far sooner than it would support an EU defence alliance or federation. If a new EU emerges ROI should be left on the sidelines where it belongs.
This thread is filled with misinformation and just bad takes.
Time to start mopping up Europe’s borders a little. Too many countries, therefore too much cringe.
Now imagine the UK government providing funding, aid and encouragement to hypothetical groups of Turks living in Cyprus who wanted to push for the Greek half to join the Turkish half. That would be pretty outrageous, right? Probably the sort of thing they shouldn’t do.
I mean, just imagine how annoyed, say, Denmark would be if someone tried to pressure them into giving up Greenland, hypothetically. They’d be livid.
Why the hell are some in ireland and france trying to start issues with the UK when everyone should be focused on unity against the US, Russia, and China?
They forgot about the Good Friday Agreement!
How about we stay the floop away from that powder keg…
The whole Northern Ireland situation has always confused me. This seems like a thing that will keep simmering, after all Northern Ireland is quite valuable, and I understand the idea of uniting an island from a security perspective, water is the best border which the UK knows better than anyone. It’s not some small rock like Gibraltar with only a 38k population that isn’t really worth the violence of war, at most Spain would just take control of it if the UK ever falls apart in a distant future.
What do the people who actually live in NA want? Do they prefer being part of the UK or part of Ireland?
Genuine question. Lol @ immediate downvotes.
Usual distraction from the myriad of problems Sinn Fein face. The idea that right now is a time to open a massive dispute with the UK 🙄
Ah here. The EU has already made clear if NI wish to unify, they’d be brought into the EU in the same way German Unification worked. What more do they want?
The decision to unify should be left to the people of NI as per the good Friday Agreement. Trying to strongarm unity this way is only going to alienate people you will need to pass such a vote.
Unification will require years of negotiation to figure out what exactly the process should look like. Trying to get the EU on side to push for unity is silly. The UK are allies, trying to sow divisions (right now of all times) is ridiculous.
An example of why a United EU is never really going to exist. I liked another posters comment the other day. The EU likes to ignore a problem and hopes it will go away.
This is a prime example.
Having spoken to people from Northern Ireland the biggest sticking point for younger generations seems to be the healthcare system – the Republic needs to sort that out before they can win over the people sitting on the fence.