At this point I would trust the CHINESE over the Americans. Not that I would trust the Chinese either, but here we are.
WillingRich2745 on
Let’s waste their time without making a decision until we got our own alternatives
Zeta411North on
Seems like they are making the choice easy?
Centaur_of-Attention on
I wish we could tell both to get lost.
4LAc on
>The FCC chair — who authored a chapter of Project 2025, the conservative blueprint for a Republican presidency published by the rightwing Heritage Foundation — said European regulators had a “bias” against US technological companies.
Probably shouldn’t have shut down Ukraine’s starlink for Donald’s temper tantrum then, you anti-democratic hack.
>“If Europe has its own satellite constellation then great, I think the more the better. But more broadly, I think Europe is caught a little bit between the US and China. And it’s sort of time for choosing,” he said.
Oh, it’s “sort of” not anything of the sort. We can give Eutelsat & other EU companies a good go first.
r19111911 on
Isnt like 80% of all the communication tech used in the USA from Sweden, Finland and Germany??
Ericsson. Nokia and Siemens and together with Huawei and ZET they got like 100% of all mobile communications solutions in the world.
Starlink uses Ericsson tech for all their satellites and devices.
Jane_Doe_32 on
This is like when your partner demands that you choose between him or your friends/family without realizing that with his demand he is providing you with the right answer….
red_pill_rage on
When a person at Starlink can decide if Ukraine can carryout their counter attack, it raises a question if choosing that provider is the best choice. Especially, if future conflicts is on the table.
IamHumanAndINeed on
They aren’t screwing around. Nice.
Normal_human_person on
As it stands right now can you really trust the United States to abide by any deal? I wouldn’t.
Ok_Photo_865 on
Go with the Chinese, they might be monitoring you but they want to do trade, not cripple you like the Ameri/russians do!
mariuszmie on
How about a European alternative? Come on Europe!
struct_iovec on
Alright so Chinese equipment it is
Troubled202 on
Here’s an idea. Go EU rather than overpriced American crap.
medium1080 on
To imagine how boring life would be right now if they had voted for Kamala. Oh my, I like it boring and uneventful. WWIII sounds like a team event and i really hate those
tencaig on
As if siding the the current U.S. admin was a good thing for the EU. The Heritage foundation and their Project 2025 grand plan for the EU is to dismantle it.
Why does it have to be only either US or China? Europe has some very good IT & comms gear manufacturers, e.g. Ericsson, Nokia, Alcatel-Lucent. There is also Japan, South Korea, and others.
voyagerdoge on
Nah, let’s choose South Korean instead.
No_Conversation_9325 on
China. No brainer. Now… fuck off, Russian warship
CriticalBath2367 on
Sounds like strong mushroom logic.
FarNefariousness3616 on
Hey, Europe, please tell him to go f*** himself.
sebastianmicu24 on
I would like to wake up one day and see that Trump has banned facebook, instagram, tik tok, google, YouTube, reddit. Everything. It would be soooo hard for a few weeks/months but it would 1) plummet the US stock, 2) give us the incentive to create some regulated platforms with less disinformation, 3) Finally all the european Trump lovers would finally start hating him.Â
So yeah Trump, you should ban US services to Europe
JarJarBot-1 on
Question: why does Europe have to choose between US and China? Haven’t any European countries developed similar communication technology?
alwyn on
call me on WeChat….
AngryCur on
How about neither? Europe is fully capable of developing its own.
torryton3526 on
EU has some pretty neat comms gear and could go it alone with a little government focus.
adultdaycare81 on
I mean good idea. If only it were delivered as part of a coherent strategy orange guy.
Panzermensch911 on
Sucks for Donald that we can chose a European solution.
Hey Eutalsat, hey IRIS², hey LCNS (yes that’s for the moon), hey SES, hey Telespazio, … yes, some are in the building phase but it’ll be there soon.
ePostings on
I guess it’s only question of time before China launch a complete *Operating system,* that will make Windows look lige an Oldsmobile Ford T.
Krnu777 on
How about european communication tech?
Pale_Investigator433 on
Stuck between two dics.
ramonchow on
We must depend on none of them
armedmaidminion on
The article is talking about Starlink as the satellite communications network specifically.
Buy direct from china cheap or buy made in china but usa branded stuff with a markup and pay usa tarrifs too? …. this is a hard comparison 🤣🤣
MalmerDK on
Yeah no. EU needs to be independent of that unreliable shit.
PeterOutOfPlace on
“He has also repeatedly suggested that Joe Biden’s administration discriminated against Starlink by denying it US government subsidies for rural broadband.”
Wait, I thought Republicans were against subsidies.
midnightrider747 on
Well well well of course the US administration wants to have leverage against all of us if we stay on US backed systems.
But why using em when there is zero trust left ?
Would you choose to stay with your GF when she constantly sleeps around with other men or vice versa?
How would one use starlink when musk and krasnov just snap the finger and everything stops working ?
China is also bad cause they would just do the same.
So we Europeans should just develop our own tech. We have enough people and money to do that.
OkMyWay on
Sorry, which US comms tech are you talking about?
Have you created anything new after 4G Tech? Any relevant patents? (I think all relevant patents are not US owned)
Do you have any other relevant Telecom equipment manufacturers beyond Cisco, who owns a whopping 7% of the global telecom market?
Beyond Starlink (which is not new by itself), do you have another internationally relevant communications provider (whose reputation is not falling by the day)?
MuthaPlucka on
Oh no! Who to choose?
The communist country operating as a fascist state run by a cold, calculating dictator or,
The capitalist country operating as a fascist state run by a bat shit crazy whack job that thinks he’s a dictator
/S
^(but not /s)
H3lw3rd on
How about EU makes its OWN?
SpringGreenZ0ne on
Very few need satellite in Europe. Give it a couple of years and we don’t need to chose shit.
manu144x on
There are plenty of communication equipment providers in europe. Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, Alcatel, and way way more niche companies for various needs.
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[https://www.theverge.com/news/649052/fcc-brendan-carr-starlink-europe-satellite-internet#comments](https://www.theverge.com/news/649052/fcc-brendan-carr-starlink-europe-satellite-internet#comments)
What use will a superior network has, if its not reliable. I would choice the lesser network, but stable option any day ([Eutelsat](https://www.theverge.com/news/643780/ukraine-eutelsat-satellite-internet-germany-starlink-competition),) 🙂
US – We wants EU to be more Independant
Also US – Do as we say!!
At this point I would trust the CHINESE over the Americans. Not that I would trust the Chinese either, but here we are.
Let’s waste their time without making a decision until we got our own alternatives
Seems like they are making the choice easy?
I wish we could tell both to get lost.
>The FCC chair — who authored a chapter of Project 2025, the conservative blueprint for a Republican presidency published by the rightwing Heritage Foundation — said European regulators had a “bias” against US technological companies.
Probably shouldn’t have shut down Ukraine’s starlink for Donald’s temper tantrum then, you anti-democratic hack.
>“If Europe has its own satellite constellation then great, I think the more the better. But more broadly, I think Europe is caught a little bit between the US and China. And it’s sort of time for choosing,” he said.
Oh, it’s “sort of” not anything of the sort. We can give Eutelsat & other EU companies a good go first.
Isnt like 80% of all the communication tech used in the USA from Sweden, Finland and Germany??
Ericsson. Nokia and Siemens and together with Huawei and ZET they got like 100% of all mobile communications solutions in the world.
Starlink uses Ericsson tech for all their satellites and devices.
This is like when your partner demands that you choose between him or your friends/family without realizing that with his demand he is providing you with the right answer….
When a person at Starlink can decide if Ukraine can carryout their counter attack, it raises a question if choosing that provider is the best choice. Especially, if future conflicts is on the table.
They aren’t screwing around. Nice.
As it stands right now can you really trust the United States to abide by any deal? I wouldn’t.
Go with the Chinese, they might be monitoring you but they want to do trade, not cripple you like the Ameri/russians do!
How about a European alternative? Come on Europe!
Alright so Chinese equipment it is
Here’s an idea. Go EU rather than overpriced American crap.
To imagine how boring life would be right now if they had voted for Kamala. Oh my, I like it boring and uneventful. WWIII sounds like a team event and i really hate those
As if siding the the current U.S. admin was a good thing for the EU. The Heritage foundation and their Project 2025 grand plan for the EU is to dismantle it.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/
Why does it have to be only either US or China? Europe has some very good IT & comms gear manufacturers, e.g. Ericsson, Nokia, Alcatel-Lucent. There is also Japan, South Korea, and others.
Nah, let’s choose South Korean instead.
China. No brainer. Now… fuck off, Russian warship
Sounds like strong mushroom logic.
Hey, Europe, please tell him to go f*** himself.
I would like to wake up one day and see that Trump has banned facebook, instagram, tik tok, google, YouTube, reddit. Everything. It would be soooo hard for a few weeks/months but it would 1) plummet the US stock, 2) give us the incentive to create some regulated platforms with less disinformation, 3) Finally all the european Trump lovers would finally start hating him.Â
So yeah Trump, you should ban US services to Europe
Question: why does Europe have to choose between US and China? Haven’t any European countries developed similar communication technology?
call me on WeChat….
How about neither? Europe is fully capable of developing its own.
EU has some pretty neat comms gear and could go it alone with a little government focus.
I mean good idea. If only it were delivered as part of a coherent strategy orange guy.
Sucks for Donald that we can chose a European solution.
Hey Eutalsat, hey IRIS², hey LCNS (yes that’s for the moon), hey SES, hey Telespazio, … yes, some are in the building phase but it’ll be there soon.
I guess it’s only question of time before China launch a complete *Operating system,* that will make Windows look lige an Oldsmobile Ford T.
How about european communication tech?
Stuck between two dics.
We must depend on none of them
The article is talking about Starlink as the satellite communications network specifically.
Which is a strange thing to say. China just started launching [its own mega constellation satellite networks in 2024](https://spacenews.com/china-kicks-off-guowang-megaconstellation-with-long-march-5b-launch/). We don’t actually have a competitor to Starlink that we can offer to Europe, and by the time we do, Europe can probably put up its own network.
Just buy Ericsson then
Buy direct from china cheap or buy made in china but usa branded stuff with a markup and pay usa tarrifs too? …. this is a hard comparison 🤣🤣
Yeah no. EU needs to be independent of that unreliable shit.
“He has also repeatedly suggested that Joe Biden’s administration discriminated against Starlink by denying it US government subsidies for rural broadband.”
Wait, I thought Republicans were against subsidies.
Well well well of course the US administration wants to have leverage against all of us if we stay on US backed systems.
But why using em when there is zero trust left ?
Would you choose to stay with your GF when she constantly sleeps around with other men or vice versa?
How would one use starlink when musk and krasnov just snap the finger and everything stops working ?
China is also bad cause they would just do the same.
So we Europeans should just develop our own tech. We have enough people and money to do that.
Sorry, which US comms tech are you talking about?
Have you created anything new after 4G Tech? Any relevant patents? (I think all relevant patents are not US owned)
Do you have any other relevant Telecom equipment manufacturers beyond Cisco, who owns a whopping 7% of the global telecom market?
Beyond Starlink (which is not new by itself), do you have another internationally relevant communications provider (whose reputation is not falling by the day)?
Oh no! Who to choose?
The communist country operating as a fascist state run by a cold, calculating dictator or,
The capitalist country operating as a fascist state run by a bat shit crazy whack job that thinks he’s a dictator
/S
^(but not /s)
How about EU makes its OWN?
Very few need satellite in Europe. Give it a couple of years and we don’t need to chose shit.
There are plenty of communication equipment providers in europe. Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, Alcatel, and way way more niche companies for various needs.
ok, we choose Chinese
We will use our own tech, thank you.Â