Is this on top of the 110 they are negotiating or including ?
SraminiElMejorBeaver on
Rafale f4.2 was not directly mentionned anywhere, it is more of the most probable thing to happen, otherwise it’s not clear with different articles saying that India will go for 114 (110 planes made in india).
The 40 rafale fast imply lot of uncertainties, they could end up being produced in France since Dassault is still seeing to have the full production line in India and that was not the deal to start with (if they go for 40 only it would be similar to their previous deal that was at the start around 126 ~ planes but ended up in an order of only 36 rafale and making this current program just after of having 114 more planes)
Indian military procurement sure is a mess of its own. It’s hard keeping track of all their acquisitions, cancellations, renegotiations, tender repetitions and long standing tenders that seem frozen in time.
I can’t read French, what does this say? India already has an order for 36 Rafales which is nearly fulfilled, has recently ordered the Rafale M (how many was it, 22?), and this new deal for 40 is… what? The result of that ancient multirole fighter tender that they keep running but won’t come to a decision on (which required 100+ fighters, right?), and which the Rafale has been a part of for decades now, or something new?
49thDivision on
To clarify, there are two options being considered at our MoD.
* **Option 1**: Order 40 more and close the book on further Rafale orders. This would give the IAF 76 Rafales, and the IN 26 Rafale-Ms. Enough of a fleet to get on with.
* **Option 2**: Order 40 more as a prelude to a larger deal for 74 more after that, which would be manufactured in India (the original MRFA deal). This is what IAF top brass want – to have 150+ Rafales in service. But our Finance Ministry gets heart palpitations at the thought given how expensive the Rafale is.
There is also the American factor to consider. If the IAF went for Option 2, some feel it would make the Americans unhappy given they have been trying hard to sell US jets to India for some time. Hence, buying the Rafale in small batches is seen in some quarters as a way to get around this by flying ‘under the radar’, so to speak.
Frothar on
Gripen is being made in South America so presumably a production line could be made in India. India is enormous with over a billion people and their main rivals China and Pakistan won’t be held back with a handful of rafales
Buy_from_EU- on
Let’s pump those rafale sales. French MIC kicks ass, we are lucky to have them
Any-Original-6113 on
It’s time to increase orders in Europe, too.
Bluewaffleamigo on
Waste of money, is nobody paying attention to the years long war in Ukraine?
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Is this on top of the 110 they are negotiating or including ?
Rafale f4.2 was not directly mentionned anywhere, it is more of the most probable thing to happen, otherwise it’s not clear with different articles saying that India will go for 114 (110 planes made in india).
The 40 rafale fast imply lot of uncertainties, they could end up being produced in France since Dassault is still seeing to have the full production line in India and that was not the deal to start with (if they go for 40 only it would be similar to their previous deal that was at the start around 126 ~ planes but ended up in an order of only 36 rafale and making this current program just after of having 114 more planes)
But otherwise things should be clarified elther at the salon du bourget (16-22 june) or if i remember it was India’s independance day (15 august)
https://www.avionslegendaires.net/2025/04/actu/le-dassault-aviation-rafale-f4-en-route-vers-un-mega-contrat-avec-linde/
Indian military procurement sure is a mess of its own. It’s hard keeping track of all their acquisitions, cancellations, renegotiations, tender repetitions and long standing tenders that seem frozen in time.
I can’t read French, what does this say? India already has an order for 36 Rafales which is nearly fulfilled, has recently ordered the Rafale M (how many was it, 22?), and this new deal for 40 is… what? The result of that ancient multirole fighter tender that they keep running but won’t come to a decision on (which required 100+ fighters, right?), and which the Rafale has been a part of for decades now, or something new?
To clarify, there are two options being considered at our MoD.
* **Option 1**: Order 40 more and close the book on further Rafale orders. This would give the IAF 76 Rafales, and the IN 26 Rafale-Ms. Enough of a fleet to get on with.
* **Option 2**: Order 40 more as a prelude to a larger deal for 74 more after that, which would be manufactured in India (the original MRFA deal). This is what IAF top brass want – to have 150+ Rafales in service. But our Finance Ministry gets heart palpitations at the thought given how expensive the Rafale is.
There is also the American factor to consider. If the IAF went for Option 2, some feel it would make the Americans unhappy given they have been trying hard to sell US jets to India for some time. Hence, buying the Rafale in small batches is seen in some quarters as a way to get around this by flying ‘under the radar’, so to speak.
Gripen is being made in South America so presumably a production line could be made in India. India is enormous with over a billion people and their main rivals China and Pakistan won’t be held back with a handful of rafales
Let’s pump those rafale sales. French MIC kicks ass, we are lucky to have them
It’s time to increase orders in Europe, too.
Waste of money, is nobody paying attention to the years long war in Ukraine?