Seems lower than expected given how many we’ve had
-Eat_The_Rich- on
This doesn’t really reflect on Ireland as much as it does on western lawyer fees……
EnvelopeFilter22 on
600m and still very little accountability beyond the usual “we will implement change and aim to learn from our mistakes.”
Accountability is becoming impossible amid a growing culture of indemnity.
qwerty_1965 on
A vital part of the Dublin economy.
boardsmember2017 on
Yes and lessons were learned OP
mybighairyarse on
Kneecap are shit
😎
Dennisthefirst on
And how much on the Homeless?
SugarInvestigator on
A fair price foe all the lessons that were learned
SoftDrinkReddit on
wow and have we learned our lesson?
no
has these tribunals actually lead to meaningful change ?
for the most part no
will we keep pissing away money on this garbage while learning nothing and acting surprised that nothing is changing ?
you bet your ass we will
jaywastaken on
We should have tribunal to look into wasted expenditure in past tribunals.
sureyouknowurself on
Your Taxes -> someone else’s pocket.
RealDealMrSeal on
What do these actually accomplish?
death_tech on
Remember this whenever some muppet says “we can’t afford fighter jets” … 660m would buy and operate quite a few fighter jets for a good few years.
W1llN3v3rT34ch on
Is this not the price you pay for democracy?
johnydarko on
Since the “late 90’s”. So on average 22m per enquiry with each one lasting 5 years.
So each enquiry is about €4.4m per year.
Doesn’t seem that outrageous tbh, drop in the bucket for the taxpayer and it’s very important to have enquiries into these matters and hold politicians to account for corruption.
In other countries these cost less because they are done in front of parlimentary committees instead of in the courts. I think we can all agree that this is a horrendous idea and that turning them into political footballs judged by politicians would do the public no good whatsoever, especially when the two biggest parties are literally in government with one another.
It also ignores the fact that some of them recovered money – the Moriarty Tribunial for example, it cost €150m over 15 years according to this article… but it clawed back €141m in penalties and tax from the guilty parties (both figures adjusted for inflation)
Alastor001 on
If only there was more than 0 benefit to this
EllieLou80 on
This is concerning on a number of levels. Firstly it shows how much corrupt and wrong doings are happening that require investigations and tribunals.
Secondly the amount of money spent yet what has changed? We hear all the time about lessons to be learned but there is no accountability. Just look at the recent Michael Lowery situation, he has been found guilty of corruption yet sits in Dáil Éireann and is allowed to hold the Dáil to ransom fully supported by government parties, madness. We’ve also had these scandals, the head of CHI has been allowed step down with no accountability. RTE Dee Forbes never held accountable for the spending there, and the many in rte just allowed to retire with no consequences. Leo Varadkar allowed to leave politics before SIPO decided awh sure he’s gone from office no need to investigate him leaking documents.
And then we have the serious question of, if not tribunals how do we hold those in public office or in receipt of public funds, facilitating public services to be investigated and how moving forward do we actually hold those investigated and found guilty of wrong doings to suffer consequences.
PoppedCork on
A lot of favoured firms got rich on that 600 m
AshleyG1 on
Best way of delaying everything until no one remembers what it was about. No ability to fine or imprison folks either if I understand them correctly (?). Let’s the political ‘elite’ and business people off the hook, while costing us even more money. Why can’t we just have trials?
Fluffy-Republic8610 on
It hasn’t been value for money overall.
I actually wouldn’t mind funding lorchan’s school second ski trip to Italy and his downhill coaching lessons if we got results and action from the results. But we got very little action and lorchans dad got our money for turning up and sending invoices.
I like to see entrepreneurs get rich for taking risks. I don’t like to see a professional class get rich by milking the state.
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Seems lower than expected given how many we’ve had
This doesn’t really reflect on Ireland as much as it does on western lawyer fees……
600m and still very little accountability beyond the usual “we will implement change and aim to learn from our mistakes.”
Accountability is becoming impossible amid a growing culture of indemnity.
A vital part of the Dublin economy.
Yes and lessons were learned OP
Kneecap are shit
😎
And how much on the Homeless?
A fair price foe all the lessons that were learned
wow and have we learned our lesson?
no
has these tribunals actually lead to meaningful change ?
for the most part no
will we keep pissing away money on this garbage while learning nothing and acting surprised that nothing is changing ?
you bet your ass we will
We should have tribunal to look into wasted expenditure in past tribunals.
Your Taxes -> someone else’s pocket.
What do these actually accomplish?
Remember this whenever some muppet says “we can’t afford fighter jets” … 660m would buy and operate quite a few fighter jets for a good few years.
Is this not the price you pay for democracy?
Since the “late 90’s”. So on average 22m per enquiry with each one lasting 5 years.
So each enquiry is about €4.4m per year.
Doesn’t seem that outrageous tbh, drop in the bucket for the taxpayer and it’s very important to have enquiries into these matters and hold politicians to account for corruption.
In other countries these cost less because they are done in front of parlimentary committees instead of in the courts. I think we can all agree that this is a horrendous idea and that turning them into political footballs judged by politicians would do the public no good whatsoever, especially when the two biggest parties are literally in government with one another.
It also ignores the fact that some of them recovered money – the Moriarty Tribunial for example, it cost €150m over 15 years according to this article… but it clawed back €141m in penalties and tax from the guilty parties (both figures adjusted for inflation)
If only there was more than 0 benefit to this
This is concerning on a number of levels. Firstly it shows how much corrupt and wrong doings are happening that require investigations and tribunals.
Secondly the amount of money spent yet what has changed? We hear all the time about lessons to be learned but there is no accountability. Just look at the recent Michael Lowery situation, he has been found guilty of corruption yet sits in Dáil Éireann and is allowed to hold the Dáil to ransom fully supported by government parties, madness. We’ve also had these scandals, the head of CHI has been allowed step down with no accountability. RTE Dee Forbes never held accountable for the spending there, and the many in rte just allowed to retire with no consequences. Leo Varadkar allowed to leave politics before SIPO decided awh sure he’s gone from office no need to investigate him leaking documents.
And then we have the serious question of, if not tribunals how do we hold those in public office or in receipt of public funds, facilitating public services to be investigated and how moving forward do we actually hold those investigated and found guilty of wrong doings to suffer consequences.
A lot of favoured firms got rich on that 600 m
Best way of delaying everything until no one remembers what it was about. No ability to fine or imprison folks either if I understand them correctly (?). Let’s the political ‘elite’ and business people off the hook, while costing us even more money. Why can’t we just have trials?
It hasn’t been value for money overall.
I actually wouldn’t mind funding lorchan’s school second ski trip to Italy and his downhill coaching lessons if we got results and action from the results. But we got very little action and lorchans dad got our money for turning up and sending invoices.
I like to see entrepreneurs get rich for taking risks. I don’t like to see a professional class get rich by milking the state.