I mean if you insult then add tarrifs then you expect them to do what you tell them, this is after 2 months of proving you are a moron what do you think is gonna happen?
saggio_yoda on
The idea that Europe must ‘choose’ between the United States and China reflects an outdated view of international relations. The EU has its own strategic interests and should act as an autonomous actor, not as an extension of American foreign policy. The era of bipolarism is over: now we need balance, not forced deployments.
Paper_Pusher8226 on
It’s unlikely the EU would cut its China ties. If anything, the EU is trying to diversify trade flows. That includes China but also blocks like MERCOSUR.
OkSite8356 on
Lets do it the way Trump understands it – lets make a deal, great deal! Best deal you will ever see
* US will properly support Ukraine
* All tariffs gone
* No talks about Greenland
* No talks about influencing DEI, food standards, arms or anything else in Europe
* EDIT:
* Fire JD Farce
* Cut ties with RuSSia
* Stop the BS about EU not being democratic and freedom of speech considering what you are doing.
* Basically STFU about Europe
* **EDIT 2: FULL COMMITMENT TO ARTICLE 5!**
For this we will consider helping you with China. No guarantees.
Initial-Laugh1442 on
China is threatening to invade Taiwan. Trump is threatening to invade Greenland. China deported the Uighurs, the USA is deporting the immigrants to a lager in San Salvador. I hope the EU grows a pair but I’m not holding my breath.
Weird_Rooster_4307 on
Trump will be a memory in 3 1/2 years and Europe will always be there. Europe can trade with whoever they want, when they want, and for what they need at that time. As with any business, you loose your edge if you don’t change the way you do business. If you stay the same, you stagnate and become part of the past.
hecho2 on
the US needs to choose, either is an international partner and can “force” other countries hands, or is an isolated country and everyone does what they want.
You cannot have it both ways…
guitarmonk1 on
It ain’t happening
Kulturconnus on
Poor Lithuania. Stood up to China for Europe’s interests. Now being throw under the bus. This very place was so against China and cheering for Lithuania when China was acting aggressive towards it. How times have changed. Wonder who is next to be throw under the bus.
None of this matters though. What matters is what US decides. They have clear instructions to Europe to de-risk and de-couple from China.
Golda_M on
So.. an anti-china concept floated during the Biden administration was “friend-shoring.”
That concept was dead, IMO, as soon as Trump started the punk Canada. Greenland didn’t help. Judgement day tariffs buried it.
Meanwhile… (a) China and the EU have a common interest as large trading blocks that cannot be self sufficient. (b) China has a lot of excess capacity with US trade declining (c) China is in a highly motivated negotiating position vis-a-vis EU trade. (d) EU has the banking and central banking system to make anlot of hay from US’ self-harm approach.
You can’t do both deglobalization and “leader of the free world.” The US has chosen deflobalisation. The EU would be crazy to cut itself off from Chinese trade now.
At some point you must call a bluff. The US is not going to cut itself off from both of the worlds biggest markets.
Also… in terms of stock markets… the EU is the US’ biggest export market by far. Some of these services are easy to replace. EG facebook, Mastercard, etc.
How much pain do you think a European consumer or firm would feel if a 100% digital advertising tax were introduced? Such a tax would wipe almost a $trn off of US company values.
Starling is not currently possible to replace. But.. I don’t think this motivates the EU to *increase* dependencies like it to other categories.
SweetSweetAtaraxia on
So “make america great again” was to push the world away from an american, unipolar hegemony to a multipolar world. I´m confused, how was this in USA´s interest?
GrumpyOldGeezer_4711 on
“Could struggle”
Yeah, that is putting it mildly…
GrannyFlash7373 on
Trump is ripping the fabric of society into shreds, one hate filled sentence after another, and one hate filled action after another. He has so much HATE in him, that it is palpable. He, left to fester his HATE will eventually take the peace from the earth, and Wars will erupt, and LOTS of people will DIE.
Goldenrah on
Trump would struggle to sell drugs to a drug addict. Unless you’re extremely stupid and naive, Trump is not convincing anyone of anything.
Presidential_Rapist on
Trump can’t even force the US hand on China, no less other nations. His tariffs have done little beside kill the market.
_chip on
Now if he wouldn’t have tariffed any of them, we’d be looking at a different story
ClasseBa on
I am pro doing whatever is the opposite of Trumps wishes.
omegaman101 on
Hmm… it’s almost as if he could’ve had use help him more easily if he didn’t decide to impose tariffs on us and then immediately backpedal on that decision.
CSPDHDT on
I am American, why are you even doing business with us Americans anymore after 1/2 of 1/3 of the population elected the Anti-Christ for a 2nd time?
StandTo444 on
America is about to learn they’re fucking worthless as a trade partner. Not hard to figure out when half of the things I’ve ever bought there including American flags were made in China.
uzu_afk on
I mean, its a bit of a mexican standoff between russia-china-maga country. They all would like to gang up on the other and are playing this complicated dependence and status quo game. Right now, probably china is winning. If china stopped supporting the russian war, they’d probably massively gain soft power, but they need an ally like russia to project power in the pacific, etc.
Kontrafantastisk on
We’re beyond ‘struggle’, as we have arrived at the “go fuck yourself, Donald!” station.
Hot_Perspective1 on
We would rather be the hand that controls the gun than the gun thats controlled by the hand.
Good luck though diaperboy.
PleaseMayIHaveAnothr on
Trump is losing the ability to negotiate at all: his behavior in the past few months has been so erratic that any deal signed today could be canceled tomorrow, so why even bother negotiating anything, especially when the demands are so ludicrous…
RealAmbassador4081 on
Don’t give Mr. 🍊 an inch. Time for every Country, Business and person to show solidarity and JUST SAY NO to anything he wants. (Share With everyone)
RealAmbassador4081 on
This is the way.
Don’t give Mr. 🍊 an inch. Time for every Country, Business and Person to show solidarity and JUST SAY NO to anything he wants.
joshuacrime on
China isn’t attacking a neighbor. Russia is, and Trump is just doing what Daddy Putin told him to do. Trump is helping Putin achieve his foreign policy goals.
Color me skeptical, but I’m pretty sure that the EU knows precisely well what the defense and economic priorities are, and they are not in China.
narayan77 on
Trump has no friends.
Opposite-Chemistry-0 on
Maybe shouldn’t have threatened and extorted allies
Late-Following792 on
Usa would needed just to skip the first half of nonsense from trump and it might still have ally for that. Now it would be just stupid to trust animal that bite the feeding hand
RECTUSANALUS on
It rlly wouldn’t have been that hard if he had given any incentive for us to help America and not threatened to invade us
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I mean if you insult then add tarrifs then you expect them to do what you tell them, this is after 2 months of proving you are a moron what do you think is gonna happen?
The idea that Europe must ‘choose’ between the United States and China reflects an outdated view of international relations. The EU has its own strategic interests and should act as an autonomous actor, not as an extension of American foreign policy. The era of bipolarism is over: now we need balance, not forced deployments.
It’s unlikely the EU would cut its China ties. If anything, the EU is trying to diversify trade flows. That includes China but also blocks like MERCOSUR.
Lets do it the way Trump understands it – lets make a deal, great deal! Best deal you will ever see
* US will properly support Ukraine
* All tariffs gone
* No talks about Greenland
* No talks about influencing DEI, food standards, arms or anything else in Europe
* EDIT:
* Fire JD Farce
* Cut ties with RuSSia
* Stop the BS about EU not being democratic and freedom of speech considering what you are doing.
* Basically STFU about Europe
* **EDIT 2: FULL COMMITMENT TO ARTICLE 5!**
For this we will consider helping you with China. No guarantees.
China is threatening to invade Taiwan. Trump is threatening to invade Greenland. China deported the Uighurs, the USA is deporting the immigrants to a lager in San Salvador. I hope the EU grows a pair but I’m not holding my breath.
Trump will be a memory in 3 1/2 years and Europe will always be there. Europe can trade with whoever they want, when they want, and for what they need at that time. As with any business, you loose your edge if you don’t change the way you do business. If you stay the same, you stagnate and become part of the past.
the US needs to choose, either is an international partner and can “force” other countries hands, or is an isolated country and everyone does what they want.
You cannot have it both ways…
It ain’t happening
Poor Lithuania. Stood up to China for Europe’s interests. Now being throw under the bus. This very place was so against China and cheering for Lithuania when China was acting aggressive towards it. How times have changed. Wonder who is next to be throw under the bus.
None of this matters though. What matters is what US decides. They have clear instructions to Europe to de-risk and de-couple from China.
So.. an anti-china concept floated during the Biden administration was “friend-shoring.”
That concept was dead, IMO, as soon as Trump started the punk Canada. Greenland didn’t help. Judgement day tariffs buried it.
Meanwhile… (a) China and the EU have a common interest as large trading blocks that cannot be self sufficient. (b) China has a lot of excess capacity with US trade declining (c) China is in a highly motivated negotiating position vis-a-vis EU trade. (d) EU has the banking and central banking system to make anlot of hay from US’ self-harm approach.
You can’t do both deglobalization and “leader of the free world.” The US has chosen deflobalisation. The EU would be crazy to cut itself off from Chinese trade now.
At some point you must call a bluff. The US is not going to cut itself off from both of the worlds biggest markets.
Also… in terms of stock markets… the EU is the US’ biggest export market by far. Some of these services are easy to replace. EG facebook, Mastercard, etc.
How much pain do you think a European consumer or firm would feel if a 100% digital advertising tax were introduced? Such a tax would wipe almost a $trn off of US company values.
Starling is not currently possible to replace. But.. I don’t think this motivates the EU to *increase* dependencies like it to other categories.
So “make america great again” was to push the world away from an american, unipolar hegemony to a multipolar world. I´m confused, how was this in USA´s interest?
“Could struggle”
Yeah, that is putting it mildly…
Trump is ripping the fabric of society into shreds, one hate filled sentence after another, and one hate filled action after another. He has so much HATE in him, that it is palpable. He, left to fester his HATE will eventually take the peace from the earth, and Wars will erupt, and LOTS of people will DIE.
Trump would struggle to sell drugs to a drug addict. Unless you’re extremely stupid and naive, Trump is not convincing anyone of anything.
Trump can’t even force the US hand on China, no less other nations. His tariffs have done little beside kill the market.
Now if he wouldn’t have tariffed any of them, we’d be looking at a different story
I am pro doing whatever is the opposite of Trumps wishes.
Hmm… it’s almost as if he could’ve had use help him more easily if he didn’t decide to impose tariffs on us and then immediately backpedal on that decision.
I am American, why are you even doing business with us Americans anymore after 1/2 of 1/3 of the population elected the Anti-Christ for a 2nd time?
America is about to learn they’re fucking worthless as a trade partner. Not hard to figure out when half of the things I’ve ever bought there including American flags were made in China.
I mean, its a bit of a mexican standoff between russia-china-maga country. They all would like to gang up on the other and are playing this complicated dependence and status quo game. Right now, probably china is winning. If china stopped supporting the russian war, they’d probably massively gain soft power, but they need an ally like russia to project power in the pacific, etc.
We’re beyond ‘struggle’, as we have arrived at the “go fuck yourself, Donald!” station.
We would rather be the hand that controls the gun than the gun thats controlled by the hand.
Good luck though diaperboy.
Trump is losing the ability to negotiate at all: his behavior in the past few months has been so erratic that any deal signed today could be canceled tomorrow, so why even bother negotiating anything, especially when the demands are so ludicrous…
Don’t give Mr. 🍊 an inch. Time for every Country, Business and person to show solidarity and JUST SAY NO to anything he wants. (Share With everyone)
This is the way.
Don’t give Mr. 🍊 an inch. Time for every Country, Business and Person to show solidarity and JUST SAY NO to anything he wants.
China isn’t attacking a neighbor. Russia is, and Trump is just doing what Daddy Putin told him to do. Trump is helping Putin achieve his foreign policy goals.
Color me skeptical, but I’m pretty sure that the EU knows precisely well what the defense and economic priorities are, and they are not in China.
Trump has no friends.
Maybe shouldn’t have threatened and extorted allies
Usa would needed just to skip the first half of nonsense from trump and it might still have ally for that. Now it would be just stupid to trust animal that bite the feeding hand
It rlly wouldn’t have been that hard if he had given any incentive for us to help America and not threatened to invade us