Il 25% degli adolescenti in Norvegia pensa “L’uguaglianza di genere è andata troppo lontano” con un aumento estremamente acuto che inizia a metà del 2010

SOURCE: [https://osf.io/preprints/osf/7z2va_v1](https://osf.io/preprints/osf/7z2va_v1)

the data looks at the ideological polarisation between boys and girls in Norway from 1989-2023, it also concludes that the sharp rise in both right wing support and right wing self identification amongst boys mostly (40-50%) comes from an opposition to modern feminism

The sharp rise has no link with an increased implication of rich conservative and their media and social networks on the subject. It’s a purely natural change… (Is /s necessary?)

Social media is cancer for children.

And some adults too

Or maybe instead of banning, regulating, etc maybe we should debate whether they’re right or have any valid points.

Such pools are… not really informative. What does it mean that “it went too far”? Researcher should dig deeper then that.

>“These results suggest that the gender equality issue has the most potential to account for over-time changes in ideological polarization—if such views are related to ideology.”

The interesting part is that the question asked was simply if gender equality has gone too far. It’s not clear what that means and that’s probably part of the issue. I wonder which rights these boys would want rolled back to “make it even”.

The difference between boys and girls is mind-blowing. And this polarization is not just Norway’s problem. Gen Z is going to be the most single generation I guess since people with such different values are not likely to be in a relationship with each other. Not surprisingly that there is male loneliness epidemic. Turns out most girls don’t like Andrew Tate wanna bes lol.

The comments here validate them. Maybe ask yourself why they feel that way. And don’t blame Andrew Tate.

I wonder what that means for them.

I know I’ll be labelled an incel for this opinion, but fuck it I’ll throw my hat into the ring.

I can see where young men are coming from when it comes to this and it isn’t solely the influence of ghouls like Andrew Taint. Here in my country we have conscription and only one gender is forcibly conscripted. Meanwhile the supposedly “egalitarian” feminists don’t say a word when it comes to this. I get why the military wants men, but while young men are in the military young women are siting in university classes, which exacerbates another deference between the genders: women have a way larger higher degree attainment in my country than men.

Also for some reason fields which have more males “need” to be equalized meanwhile fields which are dominated by women are no big deal. For example, I remember when I was in uni there were two separate scholarship programs to encourage women to study IT because it’s a male dominated field. Meanwhile my field (Childcare), which is dominated by women has no such scholarships, hell during my 4 years of study I didn’t see a single man, my lecturers were women and all the students around me were women.

Boys have (across most of EU and NA):

– lower results in terms of education
– considerably higher suicide rates
– have a much, **much** harder time finding casual sexual relationships if they’re bellow average looking
– are being told about “toxic masculinity” all the time while being taught nothing about “positive masculinity”
– are being subjected to toxic, sexist rhetoric like would you meet a bear vs a man in a forest and many other examples of male-hostile “jokes”, while being sharply reprimanded if they do it the other way around.

I personally think they’re actually right at least from their own perspective. The lack of understanding for their struggles and blaming of TikTok instead in this comment section just highlights that this a real problem young men and boys are facing.

We will, of course, blame this on the internet and use it to kill off online communication for good, crippling an important tool for spreading news and organizing, in favor of big-tech monopolies and already far-right captured news media.

For the kids, of course.

Anyone who isn’t seriously trying to understand what is behind this and who just writes it off as social media influence is taking an oversimplified view of the root causes and will not be effective in reversing the trend. Makes are doing poorer in most academic measures, have higher rates of suicide and have increasing mental health issues. And yes, many of them are shamed and stigmatized. Meanwhile society seems not to care and devotes the bulk of its attention elsewhere.

And thats why they dont have a right to vote. Young folks are easier to manipulate with propaganda

Gender equality and feminism are starting to resemble patriarchy and misogyny in reverse. In the past, women were excluded from certain roles despite being qualified, simply because they were women and considered inferior. Now, some men are being overlooked for roles despite being qualified, simply because they are men, and part of those positions are being reserved for women, even if those women may not be the best fit

Patriarchy should have been fought with a focus on increasing fair and proven meritocracy

That said, I also believe that maybe it had to happen this way. This temporary imbalance has served as a mirror, it showed society what women used to go through. Now that the dynamic has been felt on both sides, there’s a real opportunity for society to negotiate and recalibrate, and finally build something fairer for everyone

Is this even real?

Looks like one guy’s “working paper”, not published on his uni’s website.

Has this been peer reviewed?

I have my doubts.

I think this issue is much more nuanced than just “social media is frying people’s brains”.

You have to keep in mind that young men have never experienced the extremely patriarchal society that we were still living in just 20-30 years ago.

Young men only see all the initiatives to promote women in both education and business, women’s quotas, all the programs to get women into men-dominated fields but none to get men into women-dominated fields, etc. and subsequently feel like they are being treated unfairly. They have never experienced the advantages of this bygone patriarchal society but yet feel like they are getting “punished” for a past during which they weren’t even alive.

It also doesn’t matter what the actual numbers and statistics say because feelings usually win out over facts in these matters.

You then add all those misogynistic social media personalities into the mix that sing the praises of bygone days where men were providers and women were homemakers, amplifying the aforementioned feelings and you get a perfect storm of young men who just want to punish women and people who took this rose-tinted fantasy of a perfect life away from them.

For the record: I don’t think gender equality has gone too far at all, there is so much that needs to change. I support women, I care about women, I think women deserve all the same opportunities as men and should not be sexualized, and assaulted as much as they have been. Nor treated like fools for being women in male dominated industries.

But the discourse has become so negative towards men that those angsty young men feel like they can’t talk about their problems as a man without being attacked. Women can discuss their problems as much as they like.

If a man mentions there are quality problems they will be attacked and overshadowed completely by the problems women are facing, if you try to even have any kind of discourse you get labelled a misogynist. Naturally young men need to get their frustrations out and end up in male-centric bubbles where they just feed off each others anger. This happens when you push people too far, they arc up and become defensive and just stop listening.

I am not saying this is a good thing that young men are changing their minds, but these are the reasons it happens and a few things you can’t have a real discussion about which heavily affects young men still finding their feet.

You can blame social media, but social media influencers wouldn’t have an audience if there wasn’t people feeling frustrated about all these things who engage with it. I don’t become a flat earther just because flat earth videos exist.

1. Marriage and divorce. In most court systems around the western world the courts will always side with the mother, even if they are an alcoholic, a junkie, and abuser, whatever. The man will be left with nothing most of the time.

2. Sentencing for criminals – a woman will always get a lighter sentence than a man.

3. Dating – a woman will rarely date a man who is “below them”. Either earning less salary or just not as attractive / tall enough. I get it, people have preferences, but if a man does not want to date an overweight woman he is a misogynist. If a woman will not date a short guy, that’s perfectly acceptable.

4. Women can objectify men and it is fine. A man objectifying a woman is an awful person. It should be the same.

5. Nobody seems to care that there are female dominated industries, and not really any efforts are made to correct that.

6. Employment – an attractive woman with the same qualifications is more likely to be hired at a place with diversity incentives than a man, even if the company is already diverse.

7. Men get shit on all the time and apparently that’s fine to do. I remember being 18 and that pissed me off, I was just a teenager, I didn’t create this system, why am I being punished for being born as a man?

Gender ***equality*** cannot go too far. That’s a paradoxical idea. What those people are probably thinking about is ***pseudo-***feminism, which includes misandry, which is bad.

Tbh, I have to agree with the boys. Not in the sense of going too far – which I don’t think it has – but that somewhere along the way the fundamentals of equality got lost and we started hearing a lot about preferential treatment or special and individualized treatment by a small but loud minority that could often be toxic.

The fact that at some point it became acceptable to come out and say – we don’t hire men / we don’t hire white men / all men are toxic etc…. really took a dent on any gender equality fight.

Is this the norm? No. But it is what the kids and young adults are bombarded with on the internet.

The problem that I think we have is that there are no women speaking out against it either – or not in a visible way…. Perhaps because they are afraid it would be considered treason or result in a step back in true gender equality!

When all these boys see online is that men (in particular white men) are garbage, useless, toxic and have no reason to exist, and that any women can do better anything than any men, and doesn’t need anyone… well, I guess it makes sense that at some point the boys feel it has gone too far.

I think that the answer and responsability is actually on women on this one. Women that truly believe in gender equality and not gender supremacy should speak out and separate what is right and what is wrong. Because we all know that if it is a guy doing, he will only be labelled as an incel and trashed at any corner.

So, women of the internet and the world, you have now a big task in front of you to fight for gender equality – even if perhaps this was not the kind of fight you were originally anticipating